Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We can make a fairly educated guess though, since it's *incredibly* rare for a new piece of technology to suddenly hit commercialization without quite a bit of telegraphing and run-up to mass market adoption.

Just based on the fundamental nature of computers we'll never a hit a point where TiDi will be unnecessary unless the server can manage to handle something ridiculous like 50% of cluster PCU without hitting it, because otherwise someone will cram everyone they can into a system just because they can and we'll be back to TiDi.

nothing against Eve online but by the time that technology is available it will probably be dead I don't see eve living for 40 years is another 10 to 15 years away

only if they give up their current infrastructure and go into cloud computing
CCP needs to research improbable OS the see if it's possible to make Eve compatible with it or Eve online 2 if they ever plan to make one which is highly unlikely

https://improbable.io/games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTuijWHwAsk

Last I checked, "cloud" =/= "magic".

Cloud typically just means something is stored or run on a distributed server rather than locally. What do you *think* is happening in EVE? So much facepalm. EVE is already extremely distributed, except for Dogma. It's embarassing that CCP (a company that runs one of the most advanced server clusters on the planet) has to keep explaining over and over again (to random schmucks who think their starbucks "barista" jobs qualifies them as engineers) why Dogma isn't multithreaded. The reason Dogma doesn't run multithreaded is because the overhead cost to do so would result in *worse* performance than a single thread. Even if they recoded it from the ground up.

There are a total of 2 ways to guarantee no tidi.

1) do what other MMOs do and limit player counts.
2) have enough processing power on a single core that the population of the entire cluster can play on one node. This would mean either a super powerful processor powered by unicorn farts and imagination, or far more likely a post apocalyptic TCU.

So yes, re: the title of the thread, yes it is possible to have no tidi. But the cost to doing so would be stupid. And don't you think, just maybe, that the people who get paid to do nothing else but make sure the server runs with the most effective setup in the world wouldn't be extremely aware of every development in the industry, both hardware and software? Man, sometimes EVE players are embarrassing.

What about ship movement? how much server calculation is needed to keep track of all the ships direction and speed?

Would it be possible to utilize a similar mechanic to that of the new fighter squadrons? As it stands tons of people are already Anchoring up during these fights, what if the "Anchoring" was a mechanic in the game that was used to reduce the number of processes needing. I am no computer guru so I hope someone else here understands what I mean.

Obviously this is over simplified and there are a lot of factors like skills that would make this a bit more complicated.

Remove downtime.

Force players to actually "finish" a battle of this scale, or leave their ships floating in space among the carnage.

Make it easier to jam out cyno becons to lower the rate at which reinforcements can enter the system/ force groups to work on cyno jaming/ destroying jammers in system. I would say possibly just increase the range of the mobile cyno inhib to come in line with the new grid size.

CCP cannot just remove it. There are certain things that need to be done daily for the game to work properly and the servers need maintenance as well.

This. Both of these. I would be interested to see a "why we still need downtime" devblog, but yeah, at the moment it's still apparently necessary. Think I'll start a thread on the new forums, see if we can't get some dev attention. And for moving it, obviously it'd be gamed. Especially when people start figuring out the all consequences and find ways to profit from it financially.

I'm sure 1 day a year (based on the current frequency of the fights I speak of) won't kill the servers. Even if it's a little risky - I would go for it just for the sake of epic game play.

Just for my own knowledge, could you list the things you know for sure won't survive past 24hrs??

The GRRRR is so strong with you you could not realize I was not against this idea but only mentioned that like nearly everything else, people would cheese it. The real "Issue" I can see with it is actually the opposite where people might be less willing to commit if they can't be saved by the bell. I don't know what it involve from CCP'ss ide to move/cancel the maintenance so I can't say much over it.

As for fear of losing ships, I make money on most ships I lose in PvP so vOv.