EVE General Discussion

I suggest you re-read the thread. The main point of this thread suggests players who struggle with being in a corp that is war decced can become NPC for a period of time while they sharpen their PVP skills and talk to others in the same situation in order to formulate a plan. Once this is done they can step back into the combat arena and join or create a corp.

I have said this over 15 times in the thread but still you don't and probably won't understand.

Why have I got to commit to a date? I said I would start soon when I am ready.

Your posts wont change anything. It's clear that you don't understand what this is about. Of course I am going to take part.

Since you refuse to read the thread properly I can't really converse with you.

Its a broken idea Aaron.

(a) if you encourage people to leave a corp as a method of helping them, you'll anger the corps management and rob them of personnel to fight the ongoing war or defend structures, so you'll wind up getting blamed for everything and corps will ban your channel.

(b) you've created a list of pilots in npc corps that has to be kept updated, by at least every participating corp and every npc pilot, which is a massive duplication of effort and source of failure for a guy who can't even press create channel in 3 months.

(c) moving pilots to an npc corp is generally exactly where they'll just keep krabbing and not participate in pvp, ie their connection becomes the tenuous 'continue to participate in a channel' where they'll probably just leave if you have a huge argument on it (which I expect you will).

(d) I can't see the point to going to lowsec, fighting in and against gang compositions and people who don't fight the way a wardeccer group will, under an fc with a dubious zkill record, and on the way there, its likely that part of the gang will be subject to wars that other parts of the gang won't be. it sounds like it will just be a bad experience.

(b) You've got a point, we may have to leave out the blue setting.

(c) If they decide to remain in an NPC corp they wont have access to the features being in a corp has.

(d) we can still learn and hone our skills pvp'ing in lowsec. and also for my first 5 to 10 fleet commands I will only be advising low risk cheap ships like the T1 destroyer. This will be done so that the folks involved can improve their skills. I will also be using this venture to improve/refresh my pvp skills.

Also in lowsec we can learn about baiting, this is the art of getting your opponent to fall into your trap, or getting your opponent to believe you've fallen into their trap.

I'll throw down 100m on me not arguing with him. do you want some?

I can't count that high. :-(

Lots of corps are friend groupings, they don't really break up very well, your initial strat would probably mostly peel off ingame friends, leaving a core of rl friends that one of which will lose interest and the corp will then fail.



Nah, frigate/destroyer roams have a fundamental target selection requirement, you are agile, but you need to find low hitpoint targets, get in, tackle them, kill them, get out. You can't let heavy hitters self select on your bait, because they'll have seen your fleet sitting on the other side of the gate with their neutral eyes, and they'll reverse the baiting.

The other thing is all your wardecced friends are bait. You don't need to move, the enemy will come, and you all can make money whilst you wait, which is native to the players you want to help. What happens after a few kills is that the players recognize that enemies are variation content, and they are more exciting content than isk, after which they way people view their fittings and skill queue changes, and they naturally get durable and less isk/hr focused because they want to make more of the moment when the enemy comes. if the enemy doesn't come often enough, they'll want to go to the enemy, and if the enemy hides, they'll want to roam.

At which point I'd reply to aaron that argument by authority is a logical fallacy, and for the record I'll reply to you that argument by putting words in the mouths of others is also a logical fallacy. ( I like you btw drac, but this one needs to be said).

Anyway, defeating the bottom feeder mass dec is easy, ie simply moving away from main routes does it, and its not that interesting, the interesting phase of such a project is surviving a major deccer, and then going on to challenge them (and seeing what they do in response to that, because I don't think they put their cards down, call "I fold" and go away).

Absolutely for both examples in terms of the logical fallacy, that was just my experience with Aaron in chat or on comms with any disagreement, he would normally throw that in at some point and while I would just ignore it as it was meaningless, it would often result in others getting really annoyed with him and developing a healthy contempt, I tried to tell him not to use that argument but he would not listen..., that is part of his suggestion that I was back stabbing him...

Your replies are spot on in terms of this subject, I contemplated doing this even started to build the structure, but I realised that my TZ was not suitable for this, as I needed to be around late EU TZ and can't really do that, because it needs someone doing stuff and leading by example.

There is so much you can do against war deckers, especially if it comes back to structures and their defence, but people just seem so passive, this is where I do give Aaron some respect because he is thinking of picking up people just around the time of their first defeat by war deckers and their realisation that they cannot fight, normally they will hunker down and avoid from that time on, but if he can get to them before that point then he could develop something and that is actually quite smart.

Aaron is good at developing newer players and while this mentor thing is a bit overplayed by him, he is good at mentoring new players, he also had experience on another character of setting up a newbie corp and defeating a war decker a number of years back, or at least that is what he told me.

Because Aaron I was not a new player when I met you, a lot of people don't learn the game by understanding it to the right level, I studied before doing, and before I went to 0.0 I had practised in low sec and with an alt in 0.0 which I later biomassed, lots of deaths mostly from bubbles. So I am wrong for giving you credit for being good with new players, I stand by that opinion. And don't forget I am not the person telling everyone that I am from 2003 as if it means something...

I see two periods in my relationship with you, the first was March 2010 to October 2010, my objective was to learn small gang combat, at that point I treated you as my superior in game and gave you unwavering loyalty, how you can possibly call me a back stabber during that period, it is utterly beyond reason and I think an awful lot less of you if that is the case. I may have offered my opinion, but you made the decisions.

After that our interactions were on the basis from my perspective as equals, my experience after leaving you was as leader of a corp of 80 characters and second command of an alliance which took sov and had a number of successful sov wars, while you had had some success with Hub Zero 1 and 2. So by the time I met you again the situation had changed and me offering my opinion and standing by it was seen by you as back stabbing, I was no longer the person who followed what you said blindly and would stand by my opinion, because as I keep saying you cannot handle other alpha males. I am not the one who is being dishonest Aaron.

About doing this in hisec, simply put I needed to be around when the majority of the action occurs, it is not with my play time, second thing is that you need to lead by example and be seen to do it, and how could I do that when I was not playing in the TZ which is late EU when most of the action went down. I want you to stand by what you have announced and give it a go, I know you faults but you have abilities. You should also note that I think hisec is beyond saving, most of the new good players join Pandemic Horde or Karmafleet, or Brave.

So what exactly was Jenn a'Snide correct of in terms of me, while I may respect that persons ability at PvE and he is very good at it, outside of that, this person is nothing more than a loud mouthed aggressive troll who haunts many threads attacking people for different views and never ceasing to tell everyone what a great player he is, he is a legend in his own lunch time. I don't have him blocked because I find most of posts hilarious, but he has me blocked, that is rather funny isn't it Aaron... So ignore me then, works for me...

Still I have to say prove me wrong, make a success of this, you have it in you I think...