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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#441 - 2017-06-30 11:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Sorry about the arguments Salvos.

I know you guys all have history. Ive read your posts to each other over the years.
I'm neither surprised or dissappointed.
I get it that EVE, and relations in it, can get very personal, which is a very good thing.

But I detest interpersonal drama.
Probably why I'm still a bachelor :D



If I may, as compensation for my withdrawal:
-Drac and Herzog: Please let Aaron have this thread and his project in peace.
-Aaron: Dont bite the bait. Instead, get to work on the project and report on progress.


You're right buddy, thanks for your advice.

Drac is in a position to troll me because I was once his mentor and invested lots of time in helping him understand the game. This isn't encouraging and I'm going to take some time to decide if I really want to do this.




Mentor, you really are up yourself, there was areas that I learnt from you yes, but hardly my mentor and I understood the game very well myself, after all I brought a Hurricane through HED when I came to Hub Zero would not have been able to do that if I was a noob having to be explained everything. Roll

As I said if you don't come in on threads I am in and personally attack me I will leave you alone, now stop mentioning me or replying to me and I am out of here. Got it?

Oh and taking the easy option, it is Dracvlads fault, wow ShockedRoll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#442 - 2017-06-30 12:23:28 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Sorry about the arguments Salvos.

I know you guys all have history. Ive read your posts to each other over the years.
I'm neither surprised or dissappointed.
I get it that EVE, and relations in it, can get very personal, which is a very good thing.

But I detest interpersonal drama.
Probably why I'm still a bachelor :D



If I may, as compensation for my withdrawal:
-Drac and Herzog: Please let Aaron have this thread and his project in peace.
-Aaron: Dont bite the bait. Instead, get to work on the project and report on progress.


You're right buddy, thanks for your advice.

Drac is in a position to troll me because I was once his mentor and invested lots of time in helping him understand the game. This isn't encouraging and I'm going to take some time to decide if I really want to do this.




Mentor, you really are up yourself, there was areas that I learnt from you yes, but hardly my mentor and I understood the game very well myself, after all I brought a Hurricane through HED when I came to Hub Zero would not have been able to do that if I was a noob having to be explained everything. Roll

As I said if you don't come in on threads I am in and personally attack me I will leave you alone, now stop mentioning me or replying to me and I am out of here. Got it?

Oh and taking the easy option, it is Dracvlads fault, wow ShockedRoll


Anyone disagreeing or questioning your opinion is attacking you. ?

look up the words debate and conversation, the moment you post on a public forum you are open to people questioning your view. If you can't handle people discussing your view you shouldn't post on any forum.

Anything I have said about you is strictly in relation to your views on eve. I don't expect anyone to accept everything I say and then get emotional when they don't.

Definition of mentor; a person who gives a less experienced person advice over a period of time. I don't know what dictionary you work from but that is all I meant.

Troll me for the rest of your life drac. I will not stop putting my opinion forward to you or anyone else regarding eve.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Salvos Rhoska
#443 - 2017-06-30 12:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Let it go, guys.

You both got your punches in.

Time now to walk away in your own directions.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#444 - 2017-06-30 13:43:30 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Anyone disagreeing or questioning your opinion is attacking you. ?

look up the words debate and conversation, the moment you post on a public forum you are open to people questioning your view. If you can't handle people discussing your view you shouldn't post on any forum.

Anything I have said about you is strictly in relation to your views on eve. I don't expect anyone to accept everything I say and then get emotional when they don't.

Definition of mentor; a person who gives a less experienced person advice over a period of time. I don't know what dictionary you work from but that is all I meant.

Troll me for the rest of your life drac. I will not stop putting my opinion forward to you or anyone else regarding eve.



If your idea of debating is to say you have a bad attitude then you are not debating a subject, just attacking someone. If you only come into discussions where that person is and then suck up to the people who are trolling that person you are trolling.

You are trying to be so innocent, I did not do anything, lol, yeah right, you reap what you sow Aaron. I understand the difference between people debating and discussing and those that want to attack others personally and troll.

I repeat you were not my mentor, I did however learn some things from you and enjoyed my time with you in 2010. I accepted you as the boss and was totally faithful during that period. I could start detailing mistakes you made, like that Vagabond you told me to engage which was really stupid because you assumed that I had the fit you used to rat with, that was how you did things, a lack of attention to detail. I could go on...

When you self-destructed with SAS I left you and from that point any time we interacted I never saw you as in charge as such, which is when I started having issues with you, which I expected.

I merely ask you to stop trolling me, then I will ignore you, deal or no deal?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#445 - 2017-06-30 15:00:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Anyone disagreeing or questioning your opinion is attacking you. ?

look up the words debate and conversation, the moment you post on a public forum you are open to people questioning your view. If you can't handle people discussing your view you shouldn't post on any forum.

Anything I have said about you is strictly in relation to your views on eve. I don't expect anyone to accept everything I say and then get emotional when they don't.

Definition of mentor; a person who gives a less experienced person advice over a period of time. I don't know what dictionary you work from but that is all I meant.

Troll me for the rest of your life drac. I will not stop putting my opinion forward to you or anyone else regarding eve.



If your idea of debating is to say you have a bad attitude then you are not debating a subject, just attacking someone. If you only come into discussions where that person is and then suck up to the people who are trolling that person you are trolling.

You are trying to be so innocent, I did not do anything, lol, yeah right, you reap what you sow Aaron. I understand the difference between people debating and discussing and those that want to attack others personally and troll.

I repeat you were not my mentor, I did however learn some things from you and enjoyed my time with you in 2010. I accepted you as the boss and was totally faithful during that period. I could start detailing mistakes you made, like that Vagabond you told me to engage which was really stupid because you assumed that I had the fit you used to rat with, that was how you did things, a lack of attention to detail. I could go on...

When you self-destructed with SAS I left you and from that point any time we interacted I never saw you as in charge as such, which is when I started having issues with you, which I expected.

I merely ask you to stop trolling me, then I will ignore you, deal or no deal?


Look, you do have a bad attitude towards people who disagree with you. It says as such in your SIG. You claim they are attacking you then you block them and then you add their name to your blocked list in your signature. I've seen how the people in your blocked list talk to you and i don't see where they've attacked you. They just don't agree with you.

I gave you the definition of the word mentor, and you don't understand it. You seem pompous and you don't want to admit I took over 2 years of my time showing you the game.

As I said, if the thread is about something I'm interested in I will reply to anyone's points as I please without trolling or being rude or disrespectful. As I said earlier if you cant handle people responding to your views you shouldn't post on forums.

Go ahead and troll me for the rest of your life.




Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#446 - 2017-06-30 15:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
Look, you do have a bad attitude towards people who disagree with you. It says as such in your SIG. You claim they are attacking you then you block them and then you add their name to your blocked list in your signature. I've seen how the people in your blocked list talk to you and i don't see where they've attacked you. They just don't agree with you.

I gave you the definition of the word mentor, and you don't understand it. You seem pompous and you don't want to admit I took over 2 years of my time showing you the game.

As I said, if the thread is about something I'm interested in I will reply to anyone's points as I please without trolling or being rude or disrespectful. As I said earlier if you cant handle people responding to your views you shouldn't post on forums.

Go ahead and troll me for the rest of your life.


Why would I want to troll you, you were the one who started jumping into threads where I was posting, I went and checked and found that it was only threads that I was in. And you did not say anything about the subject just that I was a terrible person, that I had the wrong attitude for Eve etc. and yet when I ask you to detail why I am a bad person no detail, do we have to take that on trust. I go out do PvP and CTA's, keep out of drama in my alliance, am helpful, try not to get in anyone's way. I don't tell the FC he has no idea, in fact he is an excellent FC, hold on you think he is a bad FC.

I explained to you my approach to blocking people, are you too stupid to work that out? So I am a bad person for deciding that they are not worth listening too because they are trolls.

Two years, seriously, I arrived in early March 2010 and we joined SAS in October 2010. SAS wanted you out in mid January 2011, which is when I took over your corp. 25th Jan I gave it back to you as you asked for it back, and I created Taishi. How can you make that 2 years, if you can say two years when it was 7 months then what else are you fantasising about. I don't think you were my mentor at all, yes I learnt some things from you that is true, somethings I would say not to do, but I would never say you were my mentor, in fact I learnt more from Gravitas.

All you have to do is keep out of my way and I will keep out of yours, so deal or no deal.

NB After we joined SAS you were on later and we hardly interacted and I spent most of my time with Gravitas, which is why I said 7 months. Anyone looking at your killboard will see that during the time we were in SAS we are hardly on any kills together.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#447 - 2017-06-30 21:13:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Look, you do have a bad attitude towards people who disagree with you. It says as such in your SIG. You claim they are attacking you then you block them and then you add their name to your blocked list in your signature. I've seen how the people in your blocked list talk to you and i don't see where they've attacked you. They just don't agree with you.

I gave you the definition of the word mentor, and you don't understand it. You seem pompous and you don't want to admit I took over 2 years of my time showing you the game.

As I said, if the thread is about something I'm interested in I will reply to anyone's points as I please without trolling or being rude or disrespectful. As I said earlier if you cant handle people responding to your views you shouldn't post on forums.

Go ahead and troll me for the rest of your life.


Why would I want to troll you, you were the one who started jumping into threads where I was posting, I went and checked and found that it was only threads that I was in. And you did not say anything about the subject just that I was a terrible person, that I had the wrong attitude for Eve etc. and yet when I ask you to detail why I am a bad person no detail, do we have to take that on trust. I go out do PvP and CTA's, keep out of drama in my alliance, am helpful, try not to get in anyone's way. I don't tell the FC he has no idea, in fact he is an excellent FC, hold on you think he is a bad FC.

I explained to you my approach to blocking people, are you too stupid to work that out? So I am a bad person for deciding that they are not worth listening too because they are trolls.

Two years, seriously, I arrived in early March 2010 and we joined SAS in October 2010. SAS wanted you out in mid January 2011, which is when I took over your corp. 25th Jan I gave it back to you as you asked for it back, and I created Taishi. How can you make that 2 years, if you can say two years when it was 7 months then what else are you fantasising about. I don't think you were my mentor at all, yes I learnt some things from you that is true, somethings I would say not to do, but I would never say you were my mentor, in fact I learnt more from Gravitas.

All you have to do is keep out of my way and I will keep out of yours, so deal or no deal.

NB After we joined SAS you were on later and we hardly interacted and I spent most of my time with Gravitas, which is why I said 7 months. Anyone looking at your killboard will see that during the time we were in SAS we are hardly on any kills together.


Your take on things seem a bit off, firstly no one is following you around, I have seen you say this to a few others. Wardecs, Ganking, cloaking, are interesting subjects to me. Whenever there is a thread on these subjects I'm there as is most of the usual forum crowd.

Honestly Drac, after reading your latest post I think that you need to drink some Lemon Balm tea, perhaps take some valerian or Rhodiola all of these are calming non addictive natural herbs. Google them and if you buy them always read the label and check with your doctor before taking them.

I'm not going to debate these points with you, I was your mentor and I mentioned the definition of the word earlier. You was a new bro when we first met, and my very first fleet command for SAS was actually ok. I had never commanded such a large fleet and was still learning a bit about it myself. You said that the way I fleet commanded helped you understand your role more and what was going on. You were in an Ecm ship and i requested you jam the 2 enemy repping ships and keep the fleet informed of if they are jammed or not. We lost that fight (Due to their remote repping Sleipnir fits which were well thought out) but the reception I got from the alliance bros was warm and encouraging.

I saw an exchange you had with Baltec, the sub topic was capital wreck HP, you had omitted crucial info that the null sec community had been moaning about Cap wreck HP for a long time, you did this to further your argument that as soon as the gankers complained about it CCP changed it which wasnt the case. Baltec simply reminded you of this without trolling or insulting you but yet he still appeared on your block list and was called a troll. The way you deal with Eve debates is just plain wrong.

You can't tell me who I can and can't talk to or about. If I see you or anybody posting inaccurate info I will reply and set them straight. This is not trolling or being abusive it is simple conversation and debate. If youre going to get emotional whenever anyone disagrees with you then you shouldn't post on the forum.

You are not going to bully me into not responding to your inaccurate posts or your harsh treatment of others.

At this point I am going to limit my responses to you, Youre not going to achieve your goal of silencing me I doubt even you can see your own hypocritical double standard, you claim people troll you but here you are attempting to troll me into oblivion.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#448 - 2017-07-01 00:47:15 UTC


This, laserin'gentlemen, is why you need to get out of hisec.






Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#449 - 2017-07-01 03:54:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I'm going to take some time to decide if I really want to do this.


I recommend you disregard the rest, go back and read your OP, and remember what your vision and purpose was.

This was never a project to benefit me, you, Drac or Herzog.
It was a project to offer a community to independent NPC Corp noobs/vets looking for more connectivity.

I still think the concept of the project is sound and valid.

Focus on the original idea. Dont get distracted.
Its not us you will deal with in the project, its the hereto silent and unknown NPC Corp players.
Focus on them. Not us. They are whom your community will service, and there are thousands of them.


You think I have lost my way? I disagree.

My exchange with Dracvlad underscores the need for an "Eve Lite" this game can provoke negative feelings and it is important for all of us to know our limits within the game.

The harsh reality is the more you play Eve the more likely you are to become stressed, obviously some people don't get stressed with Eve these tend to be the people who have full time jobs and only get to play for a couple of hours in the evening

I was stressed for a long time in my real life and I can finally say I have cured it through the use of natural herbs Valerian and Rhodiola, good diet and exercise and organic vitamins and mineral supplements. Rhodiola grows near the top of mountains where its cold and harsh, it has adaptive qualities so when I consume it I get those adaptive qualities. I have a clear mind and a different perspective on everything which helped me to put this idea forward.

If anyone plans on taking natural herbs to treat their stress and anxiety please explore this option carefully, educate yourself as much as you can, be aware pregnant women can't take some natural herbs, always consult a doctor and read the label before taking any natural herb.

Salvos, I know you have said you're out, all I will say is that I hope you do come and have a look and perhaps get into a few conversations with me before committing to any decision. My perspective is that Dracvlad is an intelligent and practiced manipulator , because of the nature of what I do he has constructed his trolls in a way which makes it difficult for me to ignore. So many times in my 14 years of playing I have seen lots of people manipulated against me right before my very eyes, Dracvlad is very much aware of this and has a good understanding of my past frustrations.

I really am looking to simply play Eve, I'd love to become a fleet commander again and I'd also like to help other become fleet commanders, I just want mission with a group of guys under an NPC corp for a period of time just so I can take a breather from the fast paced rigours of Eve, I've been ****-blocked too many times in Eve from doing what I dream of doing within the game, i'd like to think some of you can relate to this.

Salvos, I am a role-playing rebel by nature and my fight is against the system that keeps the little guy down and the conventions that are put in place by people which enable them to rob all we have worked so hard for. Never for one second think I have lost my vision or purpose for it is always within me.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#450 - 2017-07-01 08:16:29 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:


This, laserin'gentlemen, is why you need to get out of hisec.








You know I am not in hisec, remember I said hi to your main in local...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#451 - 2017-07-01 09:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Oh dear, just more hot air, if you want to call yourself my Mentor then go ahead, just note that I find it laughable.

You know nothing about freighter ganking, have you ganked one, have you defended one, nope... Do you know who Endie is, nope, do you know who War Akinini is nope, do you know that they were are all in the same corp as baltec1, nope, you are not a detail man at all. The information is all in that thread, not my issue if you don't read enough of it and just post because I don't understand Eve, pah..., but I can of course laugh at it.

Did you check posting history, like I did with Jonah and you, nope, as I said you are not a detail man.

In fact Aaron you troll yourself...


You have it in you to be a good small gang FC if you put effort in, I have always had respect for you in this areas, I just wish you will go and do it, but I guess I am manipulating you by saying that and you will not be able to do it now because I talked about it...

So at this point I will leave you to this fantasy which you will never do.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#452 - 2017-07-01 09:35:03 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Trying to make a community out of people who refuse to participate in any community. Good luck, but this has been tried before :)


No it hasn't you jackass. All that's been done is people forming stuff with the intent of screwing people over

CCP Please Don't Do This..

The Respawn Expansion

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#453 - 2017-07-01 16:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Dracvlad wrote:
Oh dear, just more hot air, if you want to call yourself my Mentor then go ahead, just note that I find it laughable.

You know nothing about freighter ganking, have you ganked one, have you defended one, nope... Do you know who Endie is, nope, do you know who War Akinini is nope, do you know that they were are all in the same corp as baltec1, nope, you are not a detail man at all. The information is all in that thread, not my issue if you don't read enough of it and just post because I don't understand Eve, pah..., but I can of course laugh at it.

Did you check posting history, like I did with Jonah and you, nope, as I said you are not a detail man.

In fact Aaron you troll yourself...


You have it in you to be a good small gang FC if you put effort in, I have always had respect for you in this areas, I just wish you will go and do it, but I guess I am manipulating you by saying that and you will not be able to do it now because I talked about it...

So at this point I will leave you to this fantasy which you will never do.


Add me to your blocked list in your sig drac Big smile

I've still got respect for my mentor, he took lots of hours out of his busy life to show me the game back in 2003/4. You would never find me typing horrible insults about him regardless of what he said or did. I actually feel blessed that someone took the time to show me the game. but I guess that's where you and I differ, You don't respect that I spent countless hours giving you advice infact you don't seem to respect hardly anyone in Eve, but you know what I am ok with it. I just have to be careful with who I invest time in.

I'm suprised that you're actually okay with the all forum users seeing your very bad attitude towards me.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#454 - 2017-07-01 17:36:49 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Add me to your blocked list in your sig drac Big smile

I've still got respect for my mentor, he took lots of hours out of his busy life to show me the game back in 2003/4. You would never find me typing horrible insults about him regardless of what he said or did. I actually feel blessed that someone took the time to show me the game. but I guess that's where you and I differ, You don't respect that I spent countless hours giving you advice infact you don't seem to respect hardly anyone in Eve, but you know what I am ok with it. I just have to be careful with who I invest time in.

I'm suprised that you're actually okay with the all forum users seeing your very bad attitude towards me.


But Aaron you are only my mentor in your own deluded mind.

Anyone looking at this will see you stating that it was two years, but I was only with you for seven months, and you defined me as a noob, but my first act in coming down was to bring a Hurricane through HED-GP and get it to UF-KKH safely. Do you want to take credit for that?

Respect is earned, I do respect you in some areas, and in others I have little or no respect for you, you obviously feel the same way about me, fair enough. All I keep pointing out is if you decide to come after me like you did then expect a slap or two, now just let it go and I will.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#455 - 2017-07-01 19:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Add me to your blocked list in your sig drac Big smile

I've still got respect for my mentor, he took lots of hours out of his busy life to show me the game back in 2003/4. You would never find me typing horrible insults about him regardless of what he said or did. I actually feel blessed that someone took the time to show me the game. but I guess that's where you and I differ, You don't respect that I spent countless hours giving you advice infact you don't seem to respect hardly anyone in Eve, but you know what I am ok with it. I just have to be careful with who I invest time in.

I'm suprised that you're actually okay with the all forum users seeing your very bad attitude towards me.


But Aaron you are only my mentor in your own deluded mind.

Anyone looking at this will see you stating that it was two years, but I was only with you for seven months, and you defined me as a noob, but my first act in coming down was to bring a Hurricane through HED-GP and get it to UF-KKH safely. Do you want to take credit for that?

Respect is earned, I do respect you in some areas, and in others I have little or no respect for you, you obviously feel the same way about me, fair enough. All I keep pointing out is if you decide to come after me like you did then expect a slap or two, now just let it go and I will.


Ok I will ask you some questions..

1, Drac did you come to my Hub Zero venture in 2008?

2, Did I or did I not spend time explaining fits, tactics, pvp, npc'ing, and lots of things to you over a long period of time?

So how do you refer to someone with 5 years experience who takes their time to invite over 50 new/newer players down to a dangerous area so that they can learn more about the game?

The most appropriate word is mentor. I've explained the meaning of the word to you 3 times now. A more experienced person showing a less experienced person something over a period of time.

If you don't want to admit that I was once your mentor that's your problem.

It is you that needs to let go youre angry because I have different views and I pointed out how rude you are to other forum users. You really are talking non-sense I have done absolutely nothing to you. Youre not going to get the last word nor am I going to ever agree with anything youre saying.

Stop posting here and let it go.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#456 - 2017-07-01 20:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Add me to your blocked list in your sig drac Big smile

I've still got respect for my mentor, he took lots of hours out of his busy life to show me the game back in 2003/4. You would never find me typing horrible insults about him regardless of what he said or did. I actually feel blessed that someone took the time to show me the game. but I guess that's where you and I differ, You don't respect that I spent countless hours giving you advice infact you don't seem to respect hardly anyone in Eve, but you know what I am ok with it. I just have to be careful with who I invest time in.

I'm suprised that you're actually okay with the all forum users seeing your very bad attitude towards me.


But Aaron you are only my mentor in your own deluded mind.

Anyone looking at this will see you stating that it was two years, but I was only with you for seven months, and you defined me as a noob, but my first act in coming down was to bring a Hurricane through HED-GP and get it to UF-KKH safely. Do you want to take credit for that?

Respect is earned, I do respect you in some areas, and in others I have little or no respect for you, you obviously feel the same way about me, fair enough. All I keep pointing out is if you decide to come after me like you did then expect a slap or two, now just let it go and I will.


Ok I will ask you some questions..

1, Drac did you come to my Hub Zero venture in 2008?

2, Did I or did I not spend time explaining fits, tactics, pvp, npc'ing, and lots of things to you over a long period of time?

3) So how do you refer to someone with 5 years experience who takes their time to invite over 50 new/newer players down to a dangerous area so that they can learn more about the game?

4) The most appropriate word is mentor. I've explained the meaning of the word to you 3 times now. A more experienced person showing a less experienced person something over a period of time.

If you don't want to admit that I was once your mentor that's your problem.

5) It is you that needs to let go youre angry because I have different views and I pointed out how rude you are to other forum users. You really are talking non-sense I have done absolutely nothing to you. Youre not going to get the last word nor am I going to ever agree with anything youre saying.

Stop posting here and let it go.


1) No, but I read the whole thread before deciding to come and give it a go, I planned my move out of hisec to be focussed more on small gang stuff rather than F1 bashing, you gave me what I wanted.

2) Yes you did, which is where I said I learnt from you, you were in my opinion an exceptionally able small gang FC used to fighting against numbers, that is what I got from you. Thank you, you have the capacity to do that again IMIO, but you have to work at understanding the changes better.

3) I respected you for it, however you did tend to throw that been in the game since 2003 as if it was a crutch to hang onto.

4) Aaron, sorry but you can mentor some people, but me I have the attitude to gain an understanding of things, I was picking your brain on what you were good at and noting where you failed and why. I never needed a mentor but I wanted to gain meaningful PvP experience in small gangs which is what I gained from you. You are not my mentor, I knew exactly what I wanted from you when I came to Hub Zero mark II.

5) Angry, lol, you are the one who is angry, you jumped into those threads and took an opposing view when in fact you want to defend the little man, seems to me that your anger at me is the issue. I am rude to people who troll and are hypocrites, in spite of all that has gone on I like and respect you in a number of areas and actually wish you well, but a major part of you doing well is understanding your own weaknesses and changing that.

Of course you won't agree, but look at your post, you finish it off with you are not going to get the last word and the stop posting and let it go when you set up at least 5 points to respond to.

You say I don't understand Eve, well earlier I saved a corp mate who was tackled, I risked an expensive ship to do so, he had given me the intel what was there, others said don't go in as he was not in comms, I went in, I judged that the loss of his ship was worth taking the risk to save it and I took a punt that there was not more coming in, I drove the DPS ships off then the tackle, he got out and then I got out. And you tell me I don't get Eve...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#457 - 2017-07-01 20:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Add me to your blocked list in your sig drac Big smile

I've still got respect for my mentor, he took lots of hours out of his busy life to show me the game back in 2003/4. You would never find me typing horrible insults about him regardless of what he said or did. I actually feel blessed that someone took the time to show me the game. but I guess that's where you and I differ, You don't respect that I spent countless hours giving you advice infact you don't seem to respect hardly anyone in Eve, but you know what I am ok with it. I just have to be careful with who I invest time in.

I'm suprised that you're actually okay with the all forum users seeing your very bad attitude towards me.


But Aaron you are only my mentor in your own deluded mind.

Anyone looking at this will see you stating that it was two years, but I was only with you for seven months, and you defined me as a noob, but my first act in coming down was to bring a Hurricane through HED-GP and get it to UF-KKH safely. Do you want to take credit for that?

Respect is earned, I do respect you in some areas, and in others I have little or no respect for you, you obviously feel the same way about me, fair enough. All I keep pointing out is if you decide to come after me like you did then expect a slap or two, now just let it go and I will.


Ok I will ask you some questions..

1, Drac did you come to my Hub Zero venture in 2008?

2, Did I or did I not spend time explaining fits, tactics, pvp, npc'ing, and lots of things to you over a long period of time?

3) So how do you refer to someone with 5 years experience who takes their time to invite over 50 new/newer players down to a dangerous area so that they can learn more about the game?

4) The most appropriate word is mentor. I've explained the meaning of the word to you 3 times now. A more experienced person showing a less experienced person something over a period of time.

If you don't want to admit that I was once your mentor that's your problem.

5) It is you that needs to let go youre angry because I have different views and I pointed out how rude you are to other forum users. You really are talking non-sense I have done absolutely nothing to you. Youre not going to get the last word nor am I going to ever agree with anything youre saying.

Stop posting here and let it go.


1) No, but I read the whole thread before deciding to come and give it a go, I planned my move out of hisec to be focussed more on small gang stuff rather than F1 bashing, you gave me what I wanted.

2) Yes you did, which is where I said I learnt from you, you were in my opinion an exceptionally able small gang FC used to fighting against numbers, that is what I got from you. Thank you, you have the capacity to do that again IMIO, but you have to work at understanding the changes better.

3) I respected you for it, however you did tend to throw that been in the game since 2003 as if it was a crutch to hang onto.

4) Aaron, sorry but you can mentor some people, but me I have the attitude to gain an understanding of things, I was picking your brain on what you were good at and noting where you failed and why. I never needed a mentor but I wanted to gain meaningful PvP experience in small gangs which is what I gained from you. You are not my mentor, I knew exactly what I wanted from you when I came to Hub Zero mark II.

5) Angry, lol, you are the one who is angry, you jumped into those threads and took an opposing view when in fact you want to defend the little man, seems to me that your anger at me is the issue. I am rude to people who troll and are hypocrites, in spite of all that has gone on I like and respect you in a number of areas and actually wish you well, but a major part of you doing well is understanding your own weaknesses and changing that.

Of course you won't agree, but look at your post, you finish it off with you are not going to get the last word and the stop posting and let it go when you set up at least 5 points to respond to.

You say I don't understand Eve, well earlier I saved a corp mate who was tackled, I risked an expensive ship to do so, he had given me the intel what was there, others said don't go in as he was not in comms, I went in, I judged that the loss of his ship was worth taking the risk to save it and I took a punt that there was not more coming in, I drove the DPS ships off then the tackle, he got out and then I got out. And you tell me I don't get Eve...


So you don't understand past tense either? I said I WAS your mentor, I did not say I AM your mentor.

Honestly Drac think whatever you like I don't care, I understand the meaning of words and what situations to apply them to. The act of advising a less experienced person over a period of time is mentoring.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#458 - 2017-07-01 20:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Aaron wrote:
So you don't understand past tense either? I said I WAS your mentor, I did not say I AM your mentor.


No I would not even accept that you were my mentor, I knew what I was after when I came to Hub Zero, yes I learnt from you no question, but only a part of what I developed as knowledge of the game came from you, but I had a lot of fun doing...

Aaron you have big balls in your FC'ing, you took risks that I would not, not to say you were wrong in your situation, but I would not have got into your situation. Do you see why I say you were not my mentor? I am trying to say it in the kindest way possible, because in spite of it all I do rate you, but you have to work hard to get back to what you were. You were a very good small gang FC fighting against the odds, I have total respect for you in terms of that!

PS I really do not like the format of the new forums, switch to that and you will be fine Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#459 - 2017-07-02 09:21:05 UTC
Aaron reminds me why I'm divorced.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#460 - 2017-07-02 11:29:13 UTC
Aaron shite or get off the pot!

the amount of time wasted talking complete and utter bollox in this thread rather than actually doing something lol

your PDF that you've linked in this thread that explains your so called goals isn't even as long as most of your responses in this threads it's laughable. RollRollRollLolLolLolRollRollRollRoll