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CCP again makes fools of us!

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Bron Ander Haltern
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-06-28 18:28:52 UTC
Fighters, rorquals and now this:

On rogue swarm accelerator is clearly written "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06" on the whole world that would mean 30/06 till the end of the day, but not in EVE. 30 minutes ago CCP published that the accelerator can not be consumed after 29/06????????? Are you serious, really, again.
Mijel Riak
Extensive Enterprises Space
#2 - 2017-06-28 18:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijel Riak
Bron Ander Haltern wrote:
Fighters, rorquals and now this:

On rogue swarm accelerator is clearly written "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06" on the whole world that would mean 30/06 till the end of the day, but not in EVE. 30 minutes ago CCP published that the accelerator can not be consumed after 29/06????????? Are you serious, really, again.


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Cade Windstalker
#3 - 2017-06-28 19:11:08 UTC
If you check the in-game attributes it gives the specific time that the accelerator will work until, and it's been like this for all previous accelerators...
Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-06-28 19:17:01 UTC
They last for 24 hours ..

so you consume one at 23:59:59 on the 29th and it will last until 23:59:59 on the 30th.


understand now?
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#5 - 2017-06-28 19:59:50 UTC
Ahhh, the magic of time periods in New Eden...

In New Eden "until" always reads as "<" and never "=<".

On the other hand "Soon™" never means ">=". Most of the time it reads as ">>". Only sometimes it really translates to ">...>".

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Bron Ander Haltern
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-06-28 20:14:26 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
They last for 24 hours ..

so you consume one at 23:59:59 on the 29th and it will last until 23:59:59 on the 30th.


understand now?


No, they last from 24 to 48 hours. Now you understand, right?
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#7 - 2017-06-28 21:05:11 UTC
So - if you consume one at 23:59 on June 29 and it lasts 48 hours you get more than they promised. If it stops working at 23:59 on the 30th you get exactly what was promised.

Once consumed "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06"

There is no suggestion that you can consume on June 30 and expect it to work until July 2.
Bron Ander Haltern
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-06-28 22:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bron Ander Haltern
Do Little wrote:
So - if you consume one at 23:59 on June 29 and it lasts 48 hours you get more than they promised. If it stops working at 23:59 on the 30th you get exactly what was promised.

Once consumed "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06"

There is no suggestion that you can consume on June 30 and expect it to work until July 2.


Well if you see no difference between "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06" and expiry date is 2017.06.30 00:00:00 I can't really help, you got to go back to school :(.

With dates the word “until” seems to be ambiguous. Let’s turn to the IRS site for help. Naturally! It explains, “April 15 of each year is the due date for filing your Federal individual income tax return, if your tax year ends December 31. Your return is considered filed timely if the envelope is properly addressed and postmarked no later than April 15”. Therefore, taxpayers have until April 15 to stand in line at the post office and get the envelope postmarked. April 14 is fine; April 15 is fine; April 16 is not.

That's just an example untill with a date means precisely, all over the world, end of that day 23:59:59 not the beginning 00:00:00.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#9 - 2017-06-28 23:37:21 UTC
Bron Ander Haltern wrote:


Well if you see no difference between "The compounds are only guaranteed to function until YC119/30/06" and expiry date is 2017.06.30 00:00:00 I can't really help, you got to go back to school :(.

With dates the word “until” seems to be ambiguous. Let’s turn to the IRS site for help. Naturally! It explains, “April 15 of each year is the due date for filing your Federal individual income tax return, if your tax year ends December 31. Your return is considered filed timely if the envelope is properly addressed and postmarked no later than April 15”. Therefore, taxpayers have until April 15 to stand in line at the post office and get the envelope postmarked. April 14 is fine; April 15 is fine; April 16 is not.

That's just an example untill with a date means precisely, all over the world, end of that day 23:59:59 not the beginning 00:00:00.

Except your example does not use the word until. It uses the words 'no later than'.

Until: up to (the point in time or the event mentioned).
If used in programming or correct grammar it does exactly what CCP have said it does.
Once the date is the 30th, they are no longer guaranteed to work. It's correct English, the error is in your understanding.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2017-06-29 00:19:04 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Ahhh, the magic of time periods in New Eden...

In New Eden "until" always reads as "<" and never "=<".

On the other hand "Soon™" never means ">=". Most of the time it reads as ">>". Only sometimes it really translates to ">...>".
I don't know what any of that means, but it looks vaguely scientific so I'll upvote it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#11 - 2017-06-29 00:23:18 UTC
What they're trying to explain it as is that the date you see on the booster's info card makes no mention of how long you have to CONSUME one of them, just that the effects of any consumed before hand is guaranteed to last up till that point. You confusing the wording. Since boosters like the RD one do not give an immediate benefit, specifically that it's effects last for a time like you pointed out, the point of consumption and the end of it's duration are treated as two different events chronologically which accounts for the minimum possible offset...24 hours.

I know, play of words and maybe it should have specified that the date isn't how long you have until you cannot consume one rather than simply when any consumed therein wears off, but that's the gist of it.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
Evictus.
#12 - 2017-06-29 03:41:43 UTC
Heh, damn I still got 7 of these things... Guess I should probably just sell them on the market.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#13 - 2017-06-29 03:48:52 UTC
I see EVE Online continues to work as intended, successfully mining salt from people who fail to understand basic instructions.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Worf McGregor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-06-29 07:18:42 UTC
Well I consumed one of these accelerators (on another character that I play) within the time required to finish it off before the deadline. How ever you read it.

But I noticed this, on the character sheet / skills tab, down in the Training Queue. On the line listing the skill in training it tells you how much time it will take to finish it (in this case 1d 1h 42m 45s). But at the bottom right it lists for the total time left as being greater (in this case 1d 13h 57m). Yes, only 1 skill in the queue.

Also, another skill that I plan on putting in when the present skill gets below 24 hours remaining. Previous to consuming the accelerator said that it would take 1d 16h plus to complete. Now after taking the accelerator, it says that it will take 3d 8h plus to complete. Same with several other skills that I plan to load in, they are all now nearly doubled in time to complete.

I noticed that a previously used accelerator completed the skill in less time than it said it would take and I did not think much of it until the use on this accelerator.


So CCP, it looks like your math is wrong in the displaying of the remaining time to complete the active skill.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#15 - 2017-06-29 10:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Worf McGregor wrote:
Well I consumed one of these accelerators (on another character that I play) within the time required to finish it off before the deadline. How ever you read it.

But I noticed this, on the character sheet / skills tab, down in the Training Queue. On the line listing the skill in training it tells you how much time it will take to finish it (in this case 1d 1h 42m 45s). But at the bottom right it lists for the total time left as being greater (in this case 1d 13h 57m). Yes, only 1 skill in the queue.

Also, another skill that I plan on putting in when the present skill gets below 24 hours remaining. Previous to consuming the accelerator said that it would take 1d 16h plus to complete. Now after taking the accelerator, it says that it will take 3d 8h plus to complete. Same with several other skills that I plan to load in, they are all now nearly doubled in time to complete.

I noticed that a previously used accelerator completed the skill in less time than it said it would take and I did not think much of it until the use on this accelerator.


So CCP, it looks like your math is wrong in the displaying of the remaining time to complete the active skill.


That's not surprising. CCP's had hell getting the UI to properly and more consistently report the proper timing on skill queues when popping one of these +10 boosters in the past. The actual numbers that should be shown versus what tends to get shown has often been erroneous on multiple occasions. Maybe one day, they'll get it fixed for good. The fortunate news is that the problem's been so far confined to being simply a display bug and not actually indicative of your real training times and speeds.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Commander Spurty
#16 - 2017-06-29 10:36:41 UTC
Well there's fools alright ... but not quite so sure of their place of employment

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#17 - 2017-06-30 08:17:25 UTC
Agree with OP. When someone says "you have until June 30 to do X", it's commonsense that it includes the actual day June 30. I'm very salty as my last booster expired a few hours after 00:00 June 30.
Inactive Seller
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2017-06-30 16:08:42 UTC
In Diablo II was called LCS, or lieing character screen

All character bazaar done. Finally 39 pilot and 3 can be killed later. This account will be used only for forum interaction, fly safe.

Bron Ander Haltern
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-06-30 16:56:17 UTC
Well the next interesting fact is that 8 of my omega toons that SPs queues had stopped on the 9th of june 2017 was reimburst with different amounts of SPs ranging from 3k to 14k ofc after submitting tickets. Toons were off for more or less 8 to 10 hours and skill queues were started simultaneously after noticing the crash. I could bet they gave amounts randomly lol. Disappointment continues. Keep up the great work CCP!
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-06-30 17:50:43 UTC
Soon™ Cool
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