EVE General Discussion

As I said, "it's perfectly fine, but please grief the nullbears instead. :(".

By the way since you are intent on killing incursions with your hit squads killing the mom asap isn't that an interesting form of pvp....

Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.

Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels

New Eden - A group of capsuleers, led by Krissada, are attempting to disrupt the "ISK farming" currently occurring at Sansha Incursion sites. They are planning to destroy Sansha motherships as soon as they arrive through their wormholes and in doing so hope to cut back the amount of ISK earned by capsuleers who attend the incursions simply to collect bounties on the lesser Sansha forces in the area.

Krissada is apparently aggrieved that "bears" are able to "farm" for ISK in high-sec Incursions with little risk as long as they do not destroy the Sansha mothership. This, to her, is a blatant misuse of CONCORD's reward system and she is focused on stopping what she believes is an "ISK faucet". Disgruntled with how Incursions are fought she revealed her belief that "Sansha forces appear to be infinite, as is the depth of CONCORD's wallet".

Krissada's plan is to destroy the Sansha motherships as soon as possible which will hopefully cause the immediate withdrawal of Sansha forces and prevent further bounties being collected by "Incursion Bears". She hopes to force those wanting to make ISK from Incursions into low-sec and thus ensuring when Sansha forces arrive in high-sec they are dealt with quickly by capsuleers who want to see victory rather than reward.

Giving firm backing to Krissada, CSM member Darius III seemed to agree that high-sec Incursions are no longer about defeating Sansha's Nation but more about what can be earned: "The sites pay too much with almost no risk."

HardinSalvor, an Incursion community leader, reflected on how things have changed due to the lure of ISK: "Once the influence dropped low enough for the mom to spawn, people would rush to kill it. Through some diplomacy, a status quo was created where we avoid killing the mom as long as possible."

Some questionable math by community leaders sees them believing that an incredible 621 billion ISK is paid out by CONCORD every week from Incursions. If the numbers are accurate, it may be no surprise that a prominent Fleet Commander from the BTL Incursion channel is alleged to have bribed Darius III with 500 million ISK to not destroy a mothership during an Incursion

There is a lot of ISK to be made for those brave enough to fight against Sansha's Nation and with fleets now forming with the sole purpose of stopping that ISK being collected, as well as loyalists already attempting to aid Sansha forces, there may come a time soon that there are no capsuleers left to fight against Sansha's Nation as they will all be fighting each other.

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You do realize that if you want to "grief" us, all you need to do is knock the POS into reinforced. Voila, x hours of no mining. Isk lost.

JBs are easily camped, tons of people in nullsec are just as risk averse as you guys are, so parking a cloaky alt (maybe one with a covert cyno and a blackops and a few other guys within jump range), and voila, risk-free and effortless jewing disruption. Probably even a few juicy kills if you keep it up long enough so people get careless.

It doesn't take a huge amount of organization. vOv

Why not?

They don't make things easier to move around, they make travelling less of a cockstab. There's a difference.

It doesn't take a huge amount of organization. vOv


What you're talking about is taking over a resource. That's wildly different from disrupting and causing pain, which is a lot easier and takes vastly less organization and manpower. When you reinforce the POS, it's "taken out" for a few days. Just like the incursion.

Not grind but the speet to which they can get it to the main hubs to sell.

I am missing you here as you seem to suggest that doing the involves an element of risk or something?

Oh people have the balls its the ability to replace lost resources.

So coming back, incursions have created a type of New game play. Not killing the mom is the broken mechanic but in my opinion that is the sandbox working right there - - is that any different to null entities creating blue lists so they can continue to farm isk?

An Ishtar does not pump out anywhere near enough dps to make 70m an hour.

I am sure if people could "defend" the mom to farm the sites a little bit longer than they would do. Other than w-deccing the "mom hit sqauds" not much is available to create that type of game play.