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caldari/shield buffs, will it bring in more balance?
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Tellahane
Uther Industries 2.0
#1 - 2012-01-20 17:32:17 UTC
quoted from the recent dev blog:
Quote:

We’ve rebalanced small, medium and large Null ammo. I came back from vacation and Tallest had done this. He’s a pretty cool dude.

We’ve changed the CPU on cap shield transfers. Much needed, high five.

Shield bonuses are now applied like armor bonuses. Remember when you got a shield bonus and LOST shield? Yeah that, we fixed it.

Meta 11, 12 and 13 Invulnerability Fields have been added to the game. We stumbled on them in the basement of CCP one day. Someone must have left them there.



In addition to some other changes that applies to all the ships, will the above changes make ships like the chimera and shield tanking ships in general in-line with armor-class and bring up the usage of the caldari combat ships(outside of the drake)?

Thoughts?
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-20 17:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Foederatus
Not until armor tanked speed is brought in line with shield tanked speed.

Chimera may get used more often but it won't really do much for the BS level shield stuff because they just can't tank quite as hard as their armor counter parts. So it will still probably be armor for BS and up, and shield for BC and down in the metagame.
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-01-20 18:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Julius Foederatus wrote:

Chimera may get used more often but it won't really do much for the BS level shield stuff because they just can't tank quite as hard as their armor counter parts. So it will still probably be armor for BS and up, and shield for BC and down in the metagame.

Shields have now surpassed Armor on the Battleship level with the Alpha Fit Maelstrom alone seeing about as much action as the Abbadon and Armageddon combined.

EVEkill Top 20

1 Drake 117525
2 Tengu 84851
3 Maelstrom 81517
4 Hurricane 70099
5 Abaddon 46943
6 Armageddon 40838
7 Tornado 29772
8 Scimitar 24074
9 Tempest 23524

Despite the Abaddon Resist Bonus current 1400mm Maels use 4 Active hardeners 1x EM, 1x Therm, 2x Invuln and a LSE giving them less EHP and Shield HP but higher Omni resists.

Abbadon use has been dropping for the most part over the course of the past year.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-20 19:29:25 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Julius Foederatus wrote:

Chimera may get used more often but it won't really do much for the BS level shield stuff because they just can't tank quite as hard as their armor counter parts. So it will still probably be armor for BS and up, and shield for BC and down in the metagame.

Shields have now surpassed Armor on the Battleship level with the Alpha Fit Maelstrom alone seeing about as much action as the Abbadon and Armageddon combined.

EVEkill Top 20

1 Drake 117525
2 Tengu 84851
3 Maelstrom 81517
4 Hurricane 70099
5 Abaddon 46943
6 Armageddon 40838
7 Tornado 29772
8 Scimitar 24074
9 Tempest 23524

Despite the Abaddon Resist Bonus current 1400mm Maels use 4 Active hardeners 1x EM, 1x Therm, 2x Invuln and a LSE giving them less EHP and Shield HP but higher Omni resists.

Abbadon use has been dropping for the most part over the course of the past year.

maybe that is cause imba arties and mael gets bonus for them abbadon doesnt....
Shingorash
Stellar Defense Services
#5 - 2012-01-24 12:14:33 UTC
Abaddon's are pathetic tbh, shield tanking is better for PVP in my opinion if its done correctly on pretty much anything except Capitals.

As I said though, thats my opinion...!
Denuo Secus
#6 - 2012-01-24 12:42:04 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
...but it won't really do much for the BS level shield stuff because they just can't tank quite as hard as their armor counter parts...


Shield BSs can be fit full tank&gank without any utility. Which can work on BSs since they aren't perfect solo boats anyhow.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-01-24 13:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Shingorash wrote:
Abaddon's are pathetic tbh, shield tanking is better for PVP in my opinion if its done correctly on pretty much anything except Capitals.

As I said though, thats my opinion...!



Shield mods mid slots - Armor mods low slots

Dmg mods Low slots

Stacking penalty proves there's not much of an interest fitting more than 2 or 3 same mods. All you need is a ship with at least 6 mids 5 lows (2 dmg 2 TE 1dcu for fun) - give my mega another mid and another low plz Lol Deimos needs another mid and another low too+change that awful high utility useless slot for another gun. Thx Cool


Now how many ships in the game have enough highs/mids/lows combining the very best available out there and using some weapon system performing as intended?
Add Scimitars and some scimitars and then bring also some scimitars. If you have some scimitars its also very good because scimitars with scimitars make a very good combo for shield scimitars logistics.

Now I'd like to talk about scimitars, did I mentioned scimitars?
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-24 13:09:18 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Shingorash wrote:
Abaddon's are pathetic tbh, shield tanking is better for PVP in my opinion if its done correctly on pretty much anything except Capitals.

As I said though, thats my opinion...!



Shield mods mid slots - Armor mods low slots

Dmg mods Low slots

Stacking penalty proves there's nto much of an interest of fitting more than 2 or 3 same mods. All you need is a ship with at least 6 mids 5 lows (2 dmg 2 TE 1dcu for fun)

Scimitars and some scimitars and then bring also some scimitars. If you have some scimitars its also very good because scimitars with scimitars make a very good combo for shield scimitars logistics.

Now I'd like to talk about scimitars, did I mentioned scimitars?


OMG!?!?! Won't someone please think about the poor Basi's???? Lol
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-24 13:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Smiling Menace wrote:
OMG!?!?! Won't someone please think about the poor Basi's???? Lol



Actually I use Basilisk on SISI with my alt and all I can say is that in combo with another basi or guardian for energy remote this basi is just a pure monster but scimi is just above in fleet fights.
Basi is really awesome for fleets but very slow and extremely remote cap dependent.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#10 - 2012-01-24 13:57:31 UTC
I don't know what this thread is meant to be implying with its heavily pregnant rhetorical question - that shield ships are now imbalanced because they get the bonuses they were meant to get?

It matters most for caps, yes, due to the sheer HP you previously lost on jumping. It will also make a HUGE difference in wormholes to trash the popularity of armour fleets because, previously (in case you trolls missed it) buffer-gank shield ships could be boarded....and were basically useless for 5 minutes, whereas armour ships were more or less ready to serve. This meant that whenever you had to fight someone at short notice in a wormhole, you brought the armour.

As for this malarkey about shield being more popular and hence obviously more "imba" as naomi Knight says, well, it's true in nullsec due to nano-range doctrine. This has nothing to do with whether the ship has artillery on it, and it won't matter for nuts whether you can get A-type large shield transporters because the whole alphafleet welpcane maelstrom fleet concept has nothing to do with tank and everything to do with...alpha.

The reason the Maelstrom is more popular is rooted in the damage mods it packs...and its midslots. But should we be surprised a ship with bonused arty is better at arty than artybaddons? Really? Luls, people.

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Erehwon Rorschach
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#11 - 2012-01-24 14:01:08 UTC
So I hear scimitars are really good for shield gangs. Bear

Because your mum just couldn't say no.