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Dear CCP, you are doing it wrong,

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Dagg Gengod
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-06-20 21:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dagg Gengod
Dear CCP,
you are doing it wrong,

We have TWO currency systems in game now, and we dont know situation is intended or not.

First - ISK - used to interact with NPC and official market place

Second - PLEX - used to interact with CCP, other players, non official marketplace (trading, contracts) - The new currency in game.


We are observing that PLEX displaces ISK in game, that means much more ISK is exchanged to PLEX immediately because PLEX have better rate of return than all other things in game.
You should examine situation better, maybe rollback PLEX changes and do research about better iteration.
Maybe you should remove ISK or PLEX, or return to old P.L.EX.

Small summary:
Primary currency-> PLEX > ISK because:

Inflation
Rate of return
SKIN's -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP)
P2P -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP)
Extractors/Injectors/Skills -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP and other players)
CHARACTER TRADING -> PLEX > ISK (interaction with CCP and other players)
Trading ships - subcaps -> ISK > PLEX
Trading ships caps -> PLEX > ISK
Official marketplace -> ISK
Manufacturing -> ISK
Bills (corp, alliance) -> ISK
PI -> ISK
and many more...


We are so sad because E.V.E. is our "second life", and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying.

We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program.
We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.




i love EVE as you do, so make it our better world
MT
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2017-06-20 21:29:00 UTC
Dagg Gengod wrote:

We are so sad because E.V.E. is our second life, and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying.
We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program.
We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.
We?

I hope you are not including me in that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Dagg Gengod
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-06-20 21:37:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
]We?

I hope you are not including me in that.

Mr Epeen Cool




Move along, nothing to see here - if you are not interested.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#4 - 2017-06-20 21:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
What the hell did I just read? And, furthermore, why am I being included as an accomplice?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#5 - 2017-06-20 21:55:19 UTC
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#6 - 2017-06-20 22:07:21 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?


Well i think OP forgets that aurum was a thing before the new plex system, changing back to the old system won't actually change anything as people bought them the same as they do now
Ebony Texas
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#7 - 2017-06-20 23:55:55 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?



I want my darn Aurum brought over from DUST514 since ccp screwed everyone that actually played and gave hope for that failure.

Dotaros Kolar
Doomheim
#8 - 2017-06-21 08:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Dotaros Kolar
ISD Max Trix wrote:
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?


No....

You should go back to pre-Alph,pre FTP times....

This would be the best choice.....
Aedaxus
Country House
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2017-06-21 12:54:52 UTC
I like how in the posts how "we" and "you" is used.
There were 3 currencies, now there are 2. That's better than it was before.
ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
#10 - 2017-06-21 21:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ModusOperandi
I stopped taking the game seriously after PLEX and skill injectors etc.

Yes I still sub and play, but I am done pouring any real effort into it. It is just a cheap waste of time now.

I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me.

But I guess CCP got their money, and that's the important thing.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2017-06-21 22:45:55 UTC
Aedaxus wrote:
I like how in the posts how "we" and "you" is used.


Abrazzar wrote:
It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2017-06-21 22:45:58 UTC
Dagg Gengod wrote:
Dear CCP,
you are doing it wrong,

We have TWO currency systems in game now, and we dont know situation is intended or not.

First - ISK - used to interact with NPC and official market place

Second - PLEX - used to interact with CCP, other players, non official marketplace (trading, contracts) - The new currency in game.


We are observing that PLEX displaces ISK in game, that means much more ISK is exchanged to PLEX immediately because PLEX have better rate of return than all other things in game.
You should examine situation better, maybe rollback PLEX changes and do research about better iteration.
Maybe you should remove ISK or PLEX, or return to old P.L.EX.

Small summary:
Primary currency-> PLEX > ISK because:

Inflation
Rate of return
SKIN's -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP)
P2P -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP)
Extractors/Injectors/Skills -> PLEX >>> ISK (interaction with CCP and other players)
CHARACTER TRADING -> PLEX > ISK (interaction with CCP and other players)
Trading ships - subcaps -> ISK > PLEX
Trading ships caps -> PLEX > ISK
Official marketplace -> ISK
Manufacturing -> ISK
Bills (corp, alliance) -> ISK
PI -> ISK
and many more...


We are so sad because E.V.E. is our "second life", and we hate view in our mind that we can see how all this is dying.

We want speak about this issue, we want participate in repair program.
We know that balancing game is fast method to check situation, but without negotiations with players that will not work.




i love EVE as you do, so make it our better world
MT


Not exactly what your concern is here...some sort of Gresham's law argument?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Rain6637
NulzSec
#13 - 2017-06-21 23:25:10 UTC
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#14 - 2017-06-21 23:53:55 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?

realistically we did not have three currencies before May: aurum could not be traded and was therefore not a currency, plex was not granular or easy to move, making it more like bullion

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#15 - 2017-06-22 04:41:13 UTC
ModusOperandi wrote:
...
I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me.....



Bolded the crucial bit.
The real joke is that you thought progression in a computer game had meaning.
This -probably fictional- friend you mentioned cannot buy the knowledge or connections you should have accumulated during ten years of play, cannot be given them.
For such an ostensibly hyper-capitalistic game, EvE sure shows how social connections are more important than (and the best way to get to) money and power.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Omar Alharazaad
Praetorian Cannibals
Cannibal Empire
#16 - 2017-06-22 09:35:11 UTC
nothing wrong with plexed up injector junkie newbies.
I mean, they just got their learner's permits so it should be fine for them to get behind the wheel of a formula one race car. Nothing could possibly go wrong for them.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2017-06-22 09:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Expendable Unit
Listen up you peasants, all of you....

Implement real money system. Screw isk, let's make this for real. Get your credit cards now, all you do in-game has now REAL LIFE VALUE, yes real life value, I am not talking about the misinterpretation of real life value that most of you that failed statistics and economics class have, I am talking about EVERYTHING YOU DO IN-GAME, you need to do using real life money.

So, that would be the simplest solution.

But yeah I forgot, most of you won't do it because you are afraid to lose money, yes, real money, not the unreal money (that you all believe is real money) each time some idiot loses a titan.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#18 - 2017-06-22 10:06:50 UTC
Helene Fidard wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
So should we go back to three currencies? Aurum Plex and Isk? Isk only? What would you like to see done?

realistically we did not have three currencies before May: aurum could not be traded and was therefore not a currency, plex was not granular or easy to move, making it more like bullion


You could turn PLEX into Aurum, and there were old Aurum-tokens left you could trade on the market. So while trading Aurum was indirect, it did exist.
Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
Clever Use of Neutral Toons
#19 - 2017-06-22 23:41:22 UTC
I've been playing this game off and on since 2003 I've seen some stuff let me tell you.
Back in the day you could be banned for selling isk, it was a huge deal. Then CCP started selling isk itself in the form of plex and that was then totally fine somehow. PLEX should not be sold for real world currency, it allows the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.
I look with great disdain on anyone who uses real world currency to further their position in the EVE universe, always have, always will. If you buy plex to sell on the market for isk you are weak and in no way have earned what you have in the game, I for one am not impressed by your shiny.
Skill injectors, skill extractors, multiple pilot training certificates (which should be standard), the list goes on it seems without limit or compunction for squeezing every last cent out of the loyal subscribers....SMGDH

/end rant

Carry On.
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc
Requiem Eternal
#20 - 2017-06-23 00:47:20 UTC
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.
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