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T3C rebalance question

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Nemeriah
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#1 - 2017-06-19 13:11:39 UTC
Wondering what will happen with the subsystems currently ingame, we have 5 atm for each racial ship but when the rebalance happens we will only have 3 types. What will be happening to the other subsystems for those who have them already?
Melted down into isk at market value or morphed into the new versions of the subsystems we will be using?
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
Initiative Associates
#2 - 2017-06-19 13:41:49 UTC
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/strategic-cruisers-and-you
Quote:
Existing subsystems that are not fit to a Strategic Cruiser will be directly transformed into their closest functional equivalent under the new system.

Strategic Cruisers with subsystems fit to them will have their subsystems converted into new ones directly, and will receive one extra subsystem placed in their cargo hold (to ensure that players have the same number of subsystems before and after the patch).



Don't mean to be rude, but, damn, reading is hard.
Nemeriah
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#3 - 2017-06-19 18:50:56 UTC
Was in abut of a rush before so i just made the thread, I'm sure i read that same thread before but I must of skimmed through it, anyway thanks for highlighting the info I need.
Wanda Fayne
#4 - 2017-06-19 23:00:14 UTC
I wouldn't repackage those ships until after the patch, you will be able to remove the rigsBlink

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

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Ebony Texas
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#5 - 2017-06-19 23:02:17 UTC
when I looked at the link from the focus group and saw what fozzie was thinking about doing to the proteus..

within that moment I knew

CCP had hired the Anti-Christ..


and may god help you all.


Nion by
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-06-19 23:07:48 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:
when I looked at the link from the focus group and saw what fozzie was thinking about doing to the proteus..

within that moment I knew

CCP had hired the Anti-Christ..


and may god help you all.




why cant they do a nice rebalance where there ships still keep their status as t3 cruiser but also as diffent faction ship. i mean honestly i saw on reddit what they are trying to do with them and its terrible. i trained for a tengu and now they are ruining it?
Ebony Texas
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#7 - 2017-06-19 23:36:50 UTC
Nion by wrote:
Ebony Texas wrote:
when I looked at the link from the focus group and saw what fozzie was thinking about doing to the proteus..

within that moment I knew

CCP had hired the Anti-Christ..


and may god help you all.




why cant they do a nice rebalance where there ships still keep their status as t3 cruiser but also as diffent faction ship. i mean honestly i saw on reddit what they are trying to do with them and its terrible. i trained for a tengu and now they are ruining it?



he's evil in the flesh..
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-06-20 00:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
Looking forward to the t3c nerf! Is there a date yet for it?

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#9 - 2017-06-20 05:05:32 UTC
Anyone have a print out or screenie of the google doc? I dont have a google account and do not want to make one to see it quite frankly.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2017-06-20 05:26:41 UTC
Nion by wrote:

why cant they do a nice rebalance where there ships still keep their status as t3 cruiser but also as diffent faction ship. i mean honestly i saw on reddit what they are trying to do with them and its terrible. i trained for a tengu and now they are ruining it?

The ships are just that far out of balance that they have to 'ruin' the ships to bring them back into order. They've just been broken so long that people believe T3's should be uber, not the jack of all trades that they were always meant to be,
Nemeriah
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#11 - 2017-06-20 11:40:17 UTC
@ Nevyn Auscent
Believe that also comes from the amount of time and isk you have to put into a t3c to truly make it shine. That along with the skill point loss from losing one, well I just hope ccp get it right with this re-balance. If I like the changes then I'll stick around otherwise im done with the game and I would think im not the only one to think this way.

Im not expecting them to be godly, just good.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2017-06-20 23:12:51 UTC
The SP loss is not an excuse to keep them OP, as that mostly makes the SP loss meaningless for a start since they win most of their fights through being OP. But cost is not a suitable balancing factor, and SP loss is simply part of the cost.
As for time, T3C's require pretty much the same time to truly make shine as a HAC does. They need all the same weapon systems and the Subskills are *1's, hardly a big train to get them all to V.
So no, none of those excuse them being OP and out of their correct place in the power hierarchy.
Nemeriah
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#13 - 2017-06-21 00:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nemeriah
Kinda silly to have them both be called Tech 3 and be made from sleeper tech if they are on par with HACs and other t2 craft.
If they are not going to be better the SP loss needs to be stripped. ofcourse that wont happen because ccp want people using injectors.

-edit not really interested in having a back and forth argument about this btw, we will find out where we stand next month when the t3c patch is released.
Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-06-26 08:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alderson Point
Whilst, it has been expected for a long time that T3cruisers were going to have a negative balance pass, and one is not surprised to see one, this is really quite an extreme one. The combination of "nerfs" to tank, sig, agility, and reduced options really stack together"Shocked

Whilst all have had significant reductions to their tank, in all measures and stats, and their ability to have the POTENTIAL to be overused in fleet combat, is reduced, the Loki and Legion, appear to be hit less hard, but all have had quite a serious hit to agility. As gatecamping is pretty much a binary option, catch or don't catch, anything less than absolutely perfect skills, and the perfect fitting, is pretty much going to die now, every time. A little hard to be absolutely sure, it depends whether SISI is being truly representative.

However, this aside, two of the T3c are being hit far far harder, the Proteus, is No longer going to be able to fulfil quite a few roles and the Tengu, is simply shocking, every nerf, tank disadvantage, both type and racial, stacks together here.

The focus group is discussing these and putting forward fits and info, thanks to them for that, hopefully they will show what is neccessary to allow these discrepancies to be resolved.

Now I know the HAC vs T3 argument, and there is a point to that, but T3c should not be worse than a HAC in all cases, there is no advantage in having a ship that is flexible in it's roles, if it is a poor choice at all of them.

To prevent, slogans, and predjudice determining how they are rebalanced, they should be renamed something like "pocket battleships" or even better " advanced technology strike ships".

The argument that cruisers should not have "xxx" abilities disappears then, and they can be balanced accordingly, because, quite simply, no one has EVER used a T3 as just another cruiser, they have ALWAYS been an entirely different class of ships. Only those who have not used them, ever thought of them as cruisers.

They should quite simply be balanced to be the best choice sometimes, and better choices of ships should be chosen, at other times. NOT, a ship to be only chosen when a HAC or Pirate battleship, isn't available.

Hopefully this will be reached, no one wants to create new Svipuls, that cause chaos until revisited, but hopefully, no one wants to kill the Tengu and Proteus! They still should be a good choice, in certain circumstances, as it stands, the rebalance appears in this draft, to fail to ensure they are a good choice.

All is not lost though, Fozzie and his team, do seem to be truly listening, and really trying.
Hopefully, a path can be found, that makes these ships an interesting and valuable choice, and not just a flexible, subpar switchable HAC. The Covert options do stand out to be somewhat viable however, mainly because we do not have a viable covert HAC. (Recons don't count as Hacs).