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Proof Max Singularity is a terrorist and is supported by terrorists

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#21 - 2017-06-16 08:43:29 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The guy pulls more weight around than any of this board's regulars when he so chooses, so a damn sight more relevant than us supporters or detractors on this board. I don't particularly like the guy, but let's not start playing the 'relevance' card unless you're in the same weight-class, hmm?

I was trying to subtly suggest something similar to the above.

Queen of Chocolate

Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
#22 - 2017-06-16 08:52:15 UTC
Grr Space Pope. Hat Space Pope!
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#23 - 2017-06-16 08:53:57 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Grr Space Pope. Hat Space Pope!

Space popes do have hats, yes. It shows they're important.

Queen of Chocolate

Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#24 - 2017-06-16 09:16:28 UTC
Considering that his lecture is recorded and published as books for the consumption of capsuleers as the be all and end all regarding starship systems operation theory, I say, yes, he is really darn important.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2017-06-16 12:21:05 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Wait...... Max Singularity is still relavent?

Probably as relevant as you or I

Yes, so much this.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#26 - 2017-06-16 13:33:51 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
I hardly think that a heretic would be invited to lecture at the Imperial Academy.


Only heretic would challenge throne's divine right to rule. Singularity has done just that.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2017-06-16 14:57:21 UTC
Would it not be heretical to deny the righteous status of a man washed clean of his sin by the Throne?

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#28 - 2017-06-16 18:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: The Golden Serpent
Why is Max Singularity Important?

Most people have forgotten about the Imperium forces since they were routed by the stronger MBC coalition last year. They havn't gone away though, and they remain just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as they were before the war, which caught fire on the heels of their **** of Providence. Providence leadership including Cardinal Dex and Lord Jaden Noah (successor to Lady Trisha D'vaney) managed to fend them off bravely with the help of the 24th Imperial Crusade.

CONCORD normally views The Imperium as a stabilizing force on the null sec regions they occupy, they are a threat, but they are not of the same DED level threat as the Guristas or Equilibrium of Mankind for example.

If we look at the trade reports coming out of Delve we can see that they mine nearly 150 billion ISK per capita more than Providence, and total mining operations in Delve equal more than every other region in the cluster - combined. They rival The Forge in production and imports. Upwell Consortium was kind enough to cooperate with us on intel regarding their citadel contracts - they have erected more Fortizar and Keepstar class citadels than any other corporation, alliance or coalition in the cluster.

The GSF and RSA together is an economic powerhouse. While some in our Empire praise The Mittani for converting to Max' version of our Amarrian religion, all I can see is heresy. Even so, it is known that one may never blame the mislead for being lead astray by a heretic - the blame always lies on the shoulders of the one propagating the false religion, especially if they are True Amarrian or Khanid in that order, especially if they are of the holder class. We have more responsibility towards God than any other people. None of this is The Mittani's fault.

The Imperium under The Mittani was lead against Providence, and I believe the blame lies squarely on Singularity's shoulders. His irrational insistence on retrieving Her Holiness Jamyl Sarum's body from Providence's southern capital was both delirious and lead to the death of innocent faithful in Providence.

Since the **** of Providence and the northern SOV war the Imperium has backed itself into a corner snugly in Delve, out of sight and out of mind. There is another angle to this and it is not insignificant at all - they have been decimating Blood Raider forces in Delve. Intelligence reports coming out of Delve report that the Blood Raiders are in a state of panic.

Some reports say that The Mittani is trying to make amends for the unpopular move against Providence and has ordered his top leadership to refuse support to the Blood Raiders - I've run covert ops missions into Delve and can verify this publically, Imperium forces are not reinforcing any of the Blood Raider strategic locations and they are sourcing the desirable Machariel battleships from Caldari State corporations specializing in cloned versions of the ships, not the raider installations.

What this means is that there is a window of hope here to introduce The Imperium to the real meaning of Amarr religion - we need to expose Max Singularity for what he is - a Sani Sabik heretic whose fluffy do-gooder sentiments towards the tribals is only a cover for his virulent heresy. This heresy influences one of the most powerful men in the cluster who could otherwise be introduced to the true religion were it not for this dangerous heretic whispering in his ear.

We're dealing with the anti-Empress signposts in Amarr, and while it would be the right thing to do, I doubt Singularity will call his lap-furrier Tenla to heel on this. God always exposes heretics eventually.

Amarr Victor! Glory to the eternal flame of Amarr!

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-

Ravana 729
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#29 - 2017-06-16 18:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravana 729
Have you considered, that Max Singularity might be popular with Sani Sabik but not actually support them? I don't know what The Mittani's intentions are with his holiness.

Sometimes I think he just wants the stabilizing and politically appealing virtues of a state religion, other times I think he really buys at least some of it. In my studies at the kitz, I came to understand the Amarrian religion as one of the most powerful tools of their Empire. It increases self esteem and justifies slavery and other forms of evolutionarily advantageous sociopathy of course, but more than this, it may theoretically effect consciousness states through the influence of various fields - this would explain the ignition of the religion on Athra for example. More than just politics and social upheaval - the religion affects consciousness on a molecular level. In other words, Amarrians, by worshipping their God, are worshipping themselves and empowering themselves. Even the Amarrian scriptures state this, in different ways. Say that to an Amarrian however and you'll probably get a cold stare if not a sermon...

Given the evidence for the power of Amarrian religion, it makes sense that one of the most powerful men in null sec would take an interest in it and its effects - it's just logical.

I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well.

I also liked the former Empress. She was a good Empress, and I did pay my respects to the site of her fall before burning Providence, I'm not without honor. Her status as a capsuleer or whether she came to power within the bounds of archaic regulations are irrelevant. The Amarrians do not see it that way, and that unwillingness to bend to reason continues to contribute to their downfall. And there are so many eager empires waiting in the wings to take their place.
Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
#30 - 2017-06-16 19:32:55 UTC
Ravana 729 wrote:
I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well.
.



You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity.

One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes.
Ravana 729
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#31 - 2017-06-16 19:46:29 UTC
Akkad Akaya wrote:
Ravana 729 wrote:
I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well.
.



You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity.

One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes.



Well Akkad...can I call you Akkad now, or do you prefer ***hole now that you openly admit to your treachery? There's a lot more to this than karma. The war had been brewing months before we ever deployed. The Mittani listens to reason in most other cases, and baseliners are treated fairly and justly in our courts and stations - that's more than the Amarr Empire has ever done despite all of their other advancements. If the Imperium takes all of the good ideas from the Empires and destroys all of the bad ideas, that will make us the next inheritors of cluster primacy - and we can avoid all of the mistakes the Jovians made. Part of that is not taking one's self too seriously. I'd rather be child-like than stuffy and unyielding like the Amarrians. You watch old man, we're going to be the next Jovian empire, and you'll regret not staying on board with us.
Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
#32 - 2017-06-16 19:59:44 UTC
Ravana 729 wrote:
Akkad Akaya wrote:
Ravana 729 wrote:
I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well.
.



You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity.

One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes.



Well Akkad...can I call you Akkad now, or do you prefer ***hole now that you openly admit to your treachery? There's a lot more to this than karma. The war had been brewing months before we ever deployed. The Mittani listens to reason in most other cases, and baseliners are treated fairly and justly in our courts and stations - that's more than the Amarr Empire has ever done despite all of their other advancements. If the Imperium takes all of the good ideas from the Empires and destroys all of the bad ideas, that will make us the next inheritors of cluster primacy - and we can avoid all of the mistakes the Jovians made. Part of that is not taking one's self too seriously. I'd rather be child-like than stuffy and unyielding like the Amarrians. You watch old man, we're going to be the next Jovian empire, and you'll regret not staying on board with us.



Suggesting that you put your talents to better use in Khanid space was hardly treachery, and I believe even the Brutor value a good spy. Or are you more Society than Brutor? Do they not also value subterfuge? I would say so given their recent blundering attempt against her late majesty.

Either way, it was a necessary operation, and its necessity was made all the more clear when the unholy war against Providence was announced. I probably saved thousands of innocent lives, while you butchered hundreds of innocents - by your own admission. Or was that sullen drunken man I spoke to after the battle someone else - someone who glibly justified that inhumane war where you accidently killed three young children as "a clean war". I am truly sorry to learn you're so bitter about it. How irrational.

God is not a mere quantum field, Ravana, and you will pay for every immoral action you take - in this lifetime or the next, he is everywhere unseen by fools and the blind.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#33 - 2017-06-16 20:42:22 UTC
Akkad Akaya wrote:
he is everywhere unseen by fools and the blind.


So a cowardly little bastard, is he? Or is he one of those edgy little 'people in the shadows' styles of worthless? When he gets his finger out of his arse and shows his face to get it kicked in, he might become relevant. Until then, his very convenient absence from New Eden simply means his fanclub will have to be the target.

All that said, Provi vs Goons is pretty much a win/win for New Eden no matter which way that stuff goes.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2017-06-16 23:51:06 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:

[The Imperium] remain just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as they were before the war, which caught fire on the heels of their **** of Providence.


A)You're right, we're just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as we were before the war last year: none. Just the same as we're no threat to any of the Empires—we've no intention of attacking any of them at this time. There's no reason to do so.

B)The attack on Providence was roughly two years ago. Your claim that the MBC's efforts 'caught fire on the heels' of it means it must have had some extremely long heels. We came home from Providence and spent another six weeks being idiots and making our own people hate using Entosis links because we traded Pure Blind back and forth between GSF, SMA, TNT, and others, repeatedly. Really, we did more to lose the war then—before it started—than anyone else did to beat us.

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Providence leadership including Cardinal Dex and Lord Jaden Noah (successor to Lady Trisha D'vaney) managed to fend them off bravely with the help of the 24th Imperial Crusade.[...]

The Mittani for converting to Max' version of our Amarrian religion [...]

The Imperium under The Mittani was lead against Providence, and I believe the blame lies squarely on Singularity's shoulders.


The Imperium engaged in combat exercises in Providence in order to test tactics and uses of the then-new Entosis shielding. Providence was selected because we expected their basic model—investment in significant orbital infrastructure, and significant industrial/harvesting activities supporting the region's combat-capability—to be the direction New Eden would move in in the wake of the Entosis shielding becoming widespread. It's the same basic model we'd adopted years earlier. That prediction's been more or less born out.

Each alliance experimented with different methods of attack in order to have as many different examples to evaluate as possible. We planned for a campaign lasting one week We went home after a campaign of one week. At no point were we planning to stay. Provibloc fought like champs, but don't overplay that as 'fending us off'. There was never any real assault in force. It was a learning exercise, nothing more, and Provibloc benefited as much as we did.

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Some reports say that The Mittani is trying to make amends for the unpopular move against Providence and has ordered his top leadership to refuse support to the Blood Raiders - I've run covert ops missions into Delve and can verify this publically, Imperium forces are not reinforcing any of the Blood Raider strategic locations and they are sourcing the desirable Machariel battleships from Caldari State corporations specializing in cloned versions of the ships, not the raider installations.

What this means is that there is a window of hope here to introduce The Imperium to the real meaning of Amarr religion - we need to expose Max Singularity for what he is - a Sani Sabik heretic whose fluffy do-gooder sentiments towards the tribals is only a cover for his virulent heresy. This heresy influences one of the most powerful men in the cluster who could otherwise be introduced to the true religion were it not for this dangerous heretic whispering in his ear.


You are an absolute idiot.

There is no attempt to 'make amends'. There has been no order to 'refuse support to the Blood Raiders'. There never needed to be any such order. They, like the Guristas in the north, have the misfortune of thinking they can fly freely in our space. And so, like the Guristas, they are dying in droves. Also, Machariels are produced by the Angel Cartel, not the Blood Raiders. The ship you're thinking of is the Bhaalgorn, and we're primarily sourcing the few we use (as well as our Ashimmus) from recovered technical data. Those poor Blood Raiders. Their older facilities are so fragile sometimes.

Max has no influence over our strategic decisions, and has never had any. He's a nice guy, and a lot of us like him on a personal level, but that's pretty much it. Your need to ascribe everything to religious idiocy is the desperate conjecture of someone who has no way of understanding the greater cluster in which she lives.
Ravana 729
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#35 - 2017-06-17 06:42:00 UTC
I was going to reply with "you seem like a smart guy, something something, are you sure she's yours" but that seemed a little below the belt.

Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
#36 - 2017-06-17 09:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Akkad Akaya
Ravana 729 wrote:
I was going to reply with "you seem like a smart guy, something something, are you sure she's yours" but that seemed a little below the belt.




Yes, it was. Of course I can see that you're feeling betrayed, and I know you value loyalty Ravana. So if it helps, it was complete chance that I ended up as your neighbor and unintentional. Usually we send all of the new capsuleers out to do service in the military, especially in dangerous operations.

We had a shortage of new capsuleers and I volunteered to investigate your corporation as a possible Equilibrium of Mankind cell. mention I this publicly so you can know it to be true. Any Ministry of Internal Order affiliate could verify it for you, as it is declassified information.

They turned out to be incompetent idiots who had nothing to do with the EOM leadership.

Whatever you are trying to do to "find yourself" or solutions for your people, in the Imperium, it's pretty clear that their leadership publicly advocates using women and children as target practice to test their weapons. That has always been an atrocity in the Amarr Empire no matter what their status was - slave or free.

I'm not sure what kind of utopia you think you're contributing to, but the society was wrong to sign off on your stint with the Imperium, like most of your decisions it was rash, reckless and emotionally motivated.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2017-06-17 13:43:51 UTC
Akkad Akaya wrote:
Whatever you are trying to do to "find yourself" or solutions for your people, in the Imperium, it's pretty clear that their leadership publicly advocates using women and children as target practice to test their weapons. That has always been an atrocity in the Amarr Empire no matter what their status was - slave or free.


We do? News to me.
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#38 - 2017-06-17 14:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
I am very sure the Imperium isn't affiliated with the Amarr Empire, and that none of the nullsec entities except the CVA are affiliated with any of the Big Four. If you are going to make claims like that, show us some evidence.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
#39 - 2017-06-17 22:12:43 UTC
You said it yourself in your own post, infidel.

Stations were being evacuated and Amarrian people, including Caldari and Gallente immigrants on those ships were being killed - women and children. Not only was it all over ACN I saw it myself in the aftermath when I brought medical help in from my system. Ravana himself was responsible for one of those evacuation ships being torn apart. I know of the opposing capsuleer myself - I've contacted him to see if he will speak here, we'll see if he responds.

I remember Singularity himself was in... what qualifies as a capsuleer state of anguish... about it - he swore he tried to minimize the risk to his own crew while going on this ridiculous, heretical hunt for her holiness' body. That was the official party line on the IGS at the time.

But the story that you were just testing your weapons, constitutes a violation of baseliner human rights. Did you forget to turn on your anti-sociopathy implant when you decided to take this official position?

Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2017-06-18 00:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Akkad Akaya wrote:
You said it yourself in your own post, infidel.

Stations were being evacuated and Amarrian people, including Caldari and Gallente immigrants on those ships were being killed - women and children.


A)None of the stations were endangered. We're not talking about Starbases, and Upwell structures weren't available yet. There was absolutely no reason for anyone to feel like non-combatants needed to evacuate. Heck, I'll even edit this to add in the point that we told them we weren't staying. Nobody had any illusions that we intended to hold Providence. Any stations that were captured would be recovered as soon as we left. So why the hel would anyone even bother evacuating?

B)No baseliner ships were targeted. No non-combatant baseliner ships could be targeted. So anyone evacuating was in no danger. I don't recall any freighters or jump freighters undocking during that campaign, either—no need for it—so the odds of people stowing away in cargo on a JF to 'escape' a situation that threatened none of their lives are... small. If non-combatants were attempting some idiotic and unnecessary evacuation in a capsuleer-piloted combat vessel, that is not our fault, and not our problem.

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Ravana himself was responsible for one of those evacuation ships being torn apart. I know of the opposing capsuleer myself - I've contacted him to see if he will speak here, we'll see if he responds.


Since you've identified the vessel as a capsuleer's ship, that capsuleer, and no other, bears the responsibility for undocking in an active war zone with civilians on board. After all, are you seriously advocating we could roll a fleet into Provi unchallenged by saying 'we've got civilians on all our ships'?

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But the story that you were just testing your weapons, constitutes a violation of baseliner human rights. Did you forget to turn on your anti-sociopathy implant when you decided to take this official position?


No more than any other act of warfare does. Entosis warfare does not endanger the structural stability of any stations. What few civilians are employed on TCUs and IHUBs have two full days to evacuate in an orderly fashion, and capsuleers cannot target baseliner non-combat vessels. Attempting to paint it as our atrocity when some idiot Provibloc capsuleer ignores the fact that any baseliner who needs to evacuate can do so safely and puts them onto a ship that can be targeted is... let's be nice and call it disingenuous.