Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Someone who avoids PVP will suck at it because they have limited experience. Sure they may get better if they stick with it, but they'll just say "**** this" after losing 4-5 matches to an actual PVPer.

Everyone always has a chance to win - even in a blob, you have a chance to pop their tackle and warp off, which is a kill for you and a loss for them. Whether or not you can make that happen, however, depends on circumstance and skill.

In the end, people who don't PVP avoid it because they don't like it. Maybe they dislike the risk, maybe they dislike the pace. The only people you could entice are the ones who simply don't have time for PVP.

For those discussing how such an arena would be implemented, you're wasting your time. This thread is not about that and even if it was, arena design is not set in stone and there certainly are ways to implement one in EVE without having much of an effect in Sov space.

The question, with added clarification, is:

If CCP implemented an arena that enticed those who do not PvP to do it, while not messing with null and low space PvP too much, do you think enough players would participate to have a positive impact on the economy? This means: removing items from circulation, creating new ISK sinks and rewarding players in ways that encourage ship combat and losses.

Keep the discussion on topic.

You want to pick a part, like I suggested? I'm offering you the opportunity to cherry-pick your absolute worst case. If you want to say "all of it will suffer", my answer will be "none of it will suffer". I've offered just as much to the debate as you have - see how unsatisfying that was?


The overwhelming argument here that everyone seems to be using is "but people will be in the arena instead of out in regular space!". And frankly, I disagree.

I think the closest existing approximation to an arena is FW - stop me there if someone disagrees. You warp into a plex, and either fight the existing occupant or wait for someone to come fight you.

How many people would you see living in FW if there was no LP, no rewards, save for the loot you get from the enemy ship? If there were no stations, citadels, POSes, or any other staging locations within 6 jumps of the plexes where they could stock 500 frigates.

You'd see an infinitesimally small fraction of the Eve playerbase there "permanently". The only people spending significant time there are the ones that have alts feeding isk to them - in which case, they're still out in space.

In an arena, the "reward" is pvp. No LP to farm, no isk to farm, just "get there, kill or die".

I will defer to your statistical data then. Oh... wait...

1) Yes, it's likely you'll get more players involved. I said as much. In terms of how many, however, that answer is "a very small number". People who don't like to PVP, don't like to PVP. Their reasons vary, but in the end, they don't like to PVP.

2) Winning and losing are still winning and losing. What exactly is your point?

3) The risk is the same. You lose, your ship goes byebye. It's more predictable and arguably a slower pace because you won't have buddy's friends warping in on you. See response 1 however, about some people just not wanting to PVP.

SWG. It happened twice in that game, first time was with space. Everyone did PvP in the deep space PvP zone, nobody did it in the wider game. Second time is when they added the PvP arena, all other PvP stopped virtually overnight.