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[CONCORD] Taskforce Pegasus Confirmed Lost In Drone Regions

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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#21 - 2017-06-09 01:16:48 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I am much more worried about capsuleers than drones. All of the new threats I have seen as my time as a capsuleer very quickly get adapted to and we thrive much as we always have done. Still so long as Concord is in the business of rewarding us, or the threat leaves something worthwhile behind in it's wreckage I am game for shooting them.


Just wait until Professor Dronotnik devises a way to have capsuleer drones.


Pfft. Mr. Kuvakei had already done that.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2017-06-09 03:06:40 UTC
It seems to me that people consider them a threat because they are too much like us.

I did not know that our position as dominant species was so precarious that we need to call for genocide.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2017-06-09 04:12:56 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
It seems to me that people consider them a threat because they are too much like us.

I did not know that our position as dominant species was so precarious that we need to call for genocide.


It's not precarious. It's exerting the apex predator claim unto other species. Look at hoe many different predators have been hunted to extinction on many different planets throughout history. It's what we do.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#24 - 2017-06-09 15:14:14 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
It seems to me that people consider them a threat because they are too much like us.

I did not know that our position as dominant species was so precarious that we need to call for genocide.


That's the thing ,they are nothing like us.

Also, "genocide", really? You consider rogue drones something to be afforded sympathy for? Do you call pumping a wheat field full of pesticides also genocide?
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#25 - 2017-06-09 15:44:21 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
It seems to me that people consider them a threat because they are too much like us.

I did not know that our position as dominant species was so precarious that we need to call for genocide.


That's the thing ,they are nothing like us.

Also, "genocide", really? You consider rogue drones something to be afforded sympathy for? Do you call pumping a wheat field full of pesticides also genocide?


Xenocide is the more appropriate word.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
Drifters Stole My Local
#26 - 2017-06-09 15:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Ayallah wrote:
It seems to me that people consider them a threat because they are too much like us.

I did not know that our position as dominant species was so precarious that we need to call for genocide.


Yeah, you're exactly right.

And when an external group acts too much like us, not only do our genocidal tendencies kick in, they kick in because we recognize that theirs do as well. At that point "who started it" becomes irrelevant in a struggle for survival and dominance.

You couldn't have said it better. They're dangerous because they're like us. Like I said, we're also our own current greatest threat. Why wouldn't a human-like entity be considered a grave threat if in addition to being similar to us (dangerous), it is also less well known to us than other people? After all, an unknown enemy, all other things being equal, is more dangerous.

Seems Ms. Teinyhr and I differ significantly now. I've always found it fascinating how two people can seem to parrot one another exactly until a precise, specific question is asked in just the right way, and then, suddenly, they couldn't be more starkly contrasted in opinion, on essentially the same topic they were in total agreement on before. It's tragic how often such questions go unasked and people completely miss out on these truths.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#27 - 2017-06-09 16:36:48 UTC
They're too much like us if you see potential for destruction the only relevant metric. Like I said, they dont sleep (even a capsuleer has to), they dont fear anything and they are not predictable like most Empyreans are. The most destructive empyeran is most likely following their wallet, and that makes Empyrean behaviour predictable. You cannot predict where rogue drones will strike the same way.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#28 - 2017-06-09 17:56:36 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
They are no more of a threat to humanity than any naturally-evolved species. Only one that lives in the environment of space.

Calling them the "ultimate threat" to our cluster or the known universe is an insane level of alarmism.

If CONCORD sent a team into the jungle to study the animals in their habitat there and they succumed to natural predation would you claim the birds and apes were the "ultimate threat to the universe?"

If they will start replicating even more than they already are now, then they are at the same level of a threat as Kyonoke. It is naive and dangerous to equate artificial life-form with a naturally developed one.
Raxi Elamp
Hellcats Reloaded
#29 - 2017-06-09 18:34:30 UTC
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#30 - 2017-06-09 19:22:45 UTC
Several aspects of rogue drone culture are of concern, besides their indefatigability.

One of the aspects of concern is their ability to assimilate technological artifacts that they encounter, incorporating it into their designs for subsequent generations of drones.
Consider, drones encountering and assimilating supercapital weaponry, Drifter artifacts, unknown civilisation artifacts, and so on.

Another aspect of concern, is their widespread use of genetic algorithms in their iterative designs. They alter various parameters of componentry and evaluate them. Unlike development of ships and weapons for capsuleers and baseline navies in human civilisations, their development cycles are not measured in months or years, but hours and days. They can adapt very quickly.

One last thing that is of concern, is that humanity in general, have only glimpsed a section of the Rogue Drone military-industrial infrastructure. There are some things that are not widely known, such as the Jump-capable Rogue Drone hive structures, larger than a Citadel or station. And there are other things that are only rumours, such as drones larger than Titans, or the widespread belief that many star systems that are not linked to stargates, have been colonised and exploited by Rogue Drone swarms.
Consider the mass of a solar system, and consider that an aggressive drone swarm could convert that mass into an equivalent mass of warships within a few years or decades.


In short, the drones have considerable potential to out-evolve and out-produce humanity. Have they reached that potential yet ? I am sceptical that they have.

But they might.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#31 - 2017-06-09 20:30:38 UTC
I am forced to agree with this assessment.

Unless Queen Synthia establishes some sort of rapport with them.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2017-06-13 12:57:50 UTC
ROGUE SWARM ALERT DECLARED BY CONCORD AS HOSTILE DRONES INVADE

Lina Ambre wrote:
YULAI – CONCORD has declared a cluster-wide "Rogue Swarm Alert", as reports continue to come in from across New Eden of multiple major infestations of rogue drones.

CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked, and has called on all combat capable pilots to assist in exterminating the infestation.

The DED's Brigadier General Odo Korachi has provided additional tactical details: "The DED Genesis Fleet's Intelligence Wing has determined that the Rogue Swarm Nests are organized around commanding units that we are designating as 'Swarm Overminds'. It appears that these Overmind units are the driving force behind this Rogue Swarm and we consider them primary targets."

"All pilots answering the call of this Rogue Swarm Alert are urged to seek out Rogue Swarm Nests and destroy the Swarm Overminds found within. The CONCORD Assembly has authorized blanket rights to all materials recovered from these sites to participating combat pilots," concluded General Korachi.

The Scope will monitor and report on this situation as it develops.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-06-13 13:00:19 UTC
Quote:
CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked
Emphasized but not elaborated on.

What a pathetic veil for genocide.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#34 - 2017-06-13 14:21:38 UTC
Nah, hardly a veil and term genocide is not applicable there, it's a pest control.
What elaboration do you want them to give?
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
Drifters Stole My Local
#35 - 2017-06-13 14:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Ayallah wrote:
Quote:
CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked
Emphasized but not elaborated on.

What a pathetic veil for genocide.


What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate?

No, of course not. And those are people. These are drones.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2017-06-13 15:55:46 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate

Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing?

They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#37 - 2017-06-13 15:59:51 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate

Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing?

They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.


You seem to not recall that the rogue drones do not see us as sentient beings, just resources to exploit at best and competitors for said resources needing violent removals at worst.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#38 - 2017-06-13 16:06:12 UTC
Sentient, sapient, living or not, they are invading. It's not like they're going to run out of Rogue Drones by pushing it back.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2017-06-13 16:12:07 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate

Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing?

They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.


They are machines and not creations of God or Nature, whichever one subscribes to. Uncontrolled, they are, at best pests like furriers. At worst, the potential end of of the Empires and its peoples.

The Society's pilots have a full and complete blank check, as far as i am concerned, to take their part in trying to push back against this menance.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#40 - 2017-06-13 16:59:55 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.


Destroying hives in empire space is not eradication or genocide. CONCORD isn't calling for a full on exterminatus for the "drone regions", but removing their mechanical tentacles from empire space for the protection of those who live there. Remind me, as I don't recall, did your heart bleed this much for the Drifters, whom to the best of our guesses are sentient and possibly have more in common with Rogue Drones than we might first think?
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