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Alpha Clone and their rights

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Phillip Hastings
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-06-12 14:12:15 UTC
OK, been doing my Alpha for a while now and got asked about it a few times in game. So I thought it needed explained a bit and brought the discussion here. So here we go:

1) are Alpha clones really free to play? Yes..but just like any other game they are restricted.
2) Can I own stations and battleships with an Alpha clone? No..Alphas are restricted to Tech 1 ships of their respected races. They can not own anything bigger than a cruiser, period.
3) Can I be a free trader, yes mining and manufacturing are allowed, and they help the overall economy too. But like anything else I'm sure there are a few restrictions somewhere, so check first.
4) Can I start my own Corporation as an Alpha? Not sure this isnt my thing so check first, it might be possible but I kind of doubt it.
5) Is there any time limit on being an Alpha clone? Dont think so I've had a character or two and even killed one off and restarted a new one, no time limit mentioned anywhere I can see.


Those are some questions I got asked about in game, so thought ti would help to put them here for people to see. I do like paying Eve even as an Alpha, but it does seem odd to me that even among Tech 1 ships we are limited to smaller vessels. If I pay to go Omega, there's a 75% chance I'll go for tech 2 ships or better in the long haul, so why limit some tech 1 ships to Alphas, letting them have a BC or Battleship that basically isn't safe in low sec anyways is a tease, and would wet their appetite for something better. Cruisers are OK but not as impressive as bigger ships, even if they aren't safe below .3 or so.

Its like one dev I talked to when I started my Alpha account. I asked about ships and weapons and he said: " its factional, if the faction uses them they are available to you as an Alpha.' I mentioned that some ships are allowed missiles or launchers but as a Alpha I couldn't train them , one example is some Amar ships have missile launchers even destroyers, but as an Alpha I wasn't allowed to rain them there, so I left Amar for other races. He said, that Amarians don't use missiles so that's why, only factional weapons count..lol. But their ships do have weapon slots for missiles and rockets, so who is teasing who? hehe
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2017-06-12 14:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Archibald Thistlewaite III
Phillip Hastings wrote:

2) Can I own stations and battleships with an Alpha clone? No..Alphas are restricted to Tech 1 ships of their respected races. They can not own anything bigger than a cruiser, period.

Just to be clear you can own any ship you like, you just can't fly them. Its is an important distinction as trading and the economy in general is quite important in Eve.

As for the rest. CCP needs people to pay to go Omega, its how they make money. If Alphas have to many options people won't need to sub.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-06-12 14:44:06 UTC
Actually most flown ships in EvE are Cruiser and down. Cruisers are the bread and butter for almost every fleet. Even though there are severe limitations what Alphas can fly, the general rule of bigger is not better but just different applies here as well. In a game with none-gated PvP, you can't balance ships via progression, but each ship and class has their own traits and weaknesses, and purpose on the battlefield.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Jikai
Doomheim
#4 - 2017-06-12 14:56:22 UTC
Phillip Hastings wrote:

4) Can I start my own Corporation as an Alpha? Not sure this isnt my thing so check first, it might be possible but I kind of doubt it.


Reverse your doubt, because Alphas can train Corporation Management.

See the skill's description for what it does, and the Alpha limit on it.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2017-06-12 16:09:43 UTC
Trade, production and mining are pretty seriously restricted on alphas. The restrictions are severe and will eat up your margins.

Alpha clones really are a 'try before you buy' option in EVE.

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Phillip Hastings
Doomheim
#6 - 2017-06-12 18:06:05 UTC
when I checked ships in the market anything bigger than cruiser was golden and marked omega clone only. also, saying that giving alphas access to all tech 1 ships would hurt the economy is a joke. it would flourish more because more manufacturers would be selling more ships. the current way of doing things hurts the economy more, and trust me people Eve is not hurting for cash as is, or we wouldn't see multiple changes every year, the Store more than keeps the game going,and people who convince themselves they need cash buy way more than any of you think.
Keno Skir
#7 - 2017-06-12 18:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Phillip Hastings wrote:
when I checked ships in the market anything bigger than cruiser was golden and marked omega clone only. also, saying that giving alphas access to all tech 1 ships would hurt the economy is a joke. it would flourish more because more manufacturers would be selling more ships. the current way of doing things hurts the economy more, and trust me people Eve is not hurting for cash as is, or we wouldn't see multiple changes every year, the Store more than keeps the game going,and people who convince themselves they need cash buy way more than any of you think.


Tbh you're new and it's not your fault you don't understand things yet. Allowing larger ships for Alphas would indeed hurt the economy and that is in fact not a joke. You could AFK lvl4 missions in a T1 battleship, if they were allowed for a free alpha clone. This means EVERYONE in game would roll an Alpha for AFK hisec missioning (buh-bye economy). Secondly people need something to aim for, and larger ships are that pretty much. The funny thing is that T1 Cruisers are actually what the majority of older players fly especially in large fleets, and Alphas just assume they're bad because they're allowed them.. Roll

Also, EvE is hurting for cash. A dropping player count and sudden rush toward a FTP / Microtransaction based business is evidence of such.

Anyway, don't mean to sound flamey but you should play the game for at least 6 months before you start suggesting changes, especially accompanied by phrases such as "trust me people". On what basis of experience are the people supposed to trust you?

Regardless, i hope your EvE adventure continues to be enlightening and you continue to extend the (slightly misguided) helping hand to others Pirate
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#8 - 2017-06-12 19:25:47 UTC
Alpha clones can launch, anchor, fuel, manage and own Upwell structures. I use an Alpha as the CEO of the holding company that owns my structures.

Alphas can fly the Gnosis battlecruiser - currently selling for 43-44 million in Jita. It's a great ship for level 3 missions and all races can fly it.
ISD Stall
ISD STAR
#9 - 2017-06-12 21:33:05 UTC
There are several reasons for alpha clone limitations. It comes down to balance, for example one of the questions I get asked on a daily basis in Rookie Help is "Why Can I not use a cloak?". The answer is simple:

  1. Balance - If every free to play pilot could use cloaks there would be AFK cloaks in every busy system. This would grind Eve and certain activities to a halt.

  2. Profit - CCP allow you access to the servers for free they also give you free customer support and access to free expansions. Development of games is not cheap so they do need subscribers to pay for all of their hard work.


The alpha and omega system was well thought out. It allows you free access to Tranquillity 24/7, however if you want access to the full features then yes you need to pay for a sub.


tldr: One account online at any time with no maximum duration. Restrictions keep the game in balance, and allow CCP to continue to develop and maintain Eve Online.

Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
#10 - 2017-06-16 17:31:07 UTC
Phillip Hastings wrote:
OK, been doing my Alpha for a while now and got asked about it a few times in game. So I thought it needed explained a bit and brought the discussion here. So here we go:

1) are Alpha clones really free to play? Yes..but just like any other game they are restricted.
2) Can I own stations and battleships with an Alpha clone? No..Alphas are restricted to Tech 1 ships of their respected races. They can not own anything bigger than a cruiser, period.
3) Can I be a free trader, yes mining and manufacturing are allowed, and they help the overall economy too. But like anything else I'm sure there are a few restrictions somewhere, so check first.
4) Can I start my own Corporation as an Alpha? Not sure this isnt my thing so check first, it might be possible but I kind of doubt it.
5) Is there any time limit on being an Alpha clone? Dont think so I've had a character or two and even killed one off and restarted a new one, no time limit mentioned anywhere I can see.


Those are some questions I got asked about in game, so thought ti would help to put them here for people to see. I do like paying Eve even as an Alpha, but it does seem odd to me that even among Tech 1 ships we are limited to smaller vessels. If I pay to go Omega, there's a 75% chance I'll go for tech 2 ships or better in the long haul, so why limit some tech 1 ships to Alphas, letting them have a BC or Battleship that basically isn't safe in low sec anyways is a tease, and would wet their appetite for something better. Cruisers are OK but not as impressive as bigger ships, even if they aren't safe below .3 or so.

Its like one dev I talked to when I started my Alpha account. I asked about ships and weapons and he said: " its factional, if the faction uses them they are available to you as an Alpha.' I mentioned that some ships are allowed missiles or launchers but as a Alpha I couldn't train them , one example is some Amar ships have missile launchers even destroyers, but as an Alpha I wasn't allowed to rain them there, so I left Amar for other races. He said, that Amarians don't use missiles so that's why, only factional weapons count..lol. But their ships do have weapon slots for missiles and rockets, so who is teasing who? hehe


1) Alpha is an unlimited free trial. You can play all you want... but you are limited in skills. Those skills restrict what you can and can't do int he game.

2. You can buy anything as an Alpha... you just can't use it. That BS you buy is stuck in the station you bought it in unless you have a large enough hauler to move it (for a BS... you won't).

3. Yes. The skill limitations on trading hit an alpha in three main ways. First, you have less slots for trade orders due to skill restrictions. Second, you'll pay slightly more in brokers fees/taxes... due to skill restrictions. Third, due to a limited number of hauling ships for you to fly, you'll have some issues trying to move stuff from station to station... which doesn't impact you if you're station trading but does if you want to move inventory to a different market.

4. Yes, you can.

5. No, there's no time limit.


As for the amarr... none of their T1 ships are bonused for missile damage. While they are "allowed" launchers, that isn't their focus. They do have some T2 and T3 ships for missiles... but they won't impact an alpha.



As for question #1... I would point out that Alpha is "free to play" for one reason. The existance of Plex. Because you can use in game currency to buy gametime through plex... you can in fact just grind isk to keep yourself in Omega status. It's not something I'm interested in doing... but it CAN be done... and thus Eve can be completely free to play with full access to the whole game... it just costs you (at current prices) about 1.4 billion isk a month.

Phillip Hastings
Doomheim
#11 - 2017-06-21 14:43:49 UTC
I do smile when I see people telling me...rather politely...to play a while before complaining..lol ahahahah I've been in and out of Eve for more than a decade, have a lot of different characters and killed off even more trying to find a niche I really like. The whole Alpha thing brought me back after a while away and was surprised that some of my old characters cant be played by me because they are too advanced for an Alpha, so they died..lol but you are correct, Eve is slowly going downhill, they are trying to do a lot of different things to hook in more people, Of course that only works so-so because when you deal with thousands a day you just cant please everyone. I see a day when Eve is FTP for everyone with a booming cash shop, but not yet, and people truly hooked on Eve for a long time gladly throw money at it, either to own the best of everything, or in their mind to help keep the game going. However after the decline of Eve I can see someone else coming out with a new version under a new name...after all they made a LOT of money here...hehehe.
Keno Skir
#12 - 2017-06-21 15:20:36 UTC
Phillip Hastings wrote:
I do smile when I see people telling me...rather politely...to play a while before complaining..lol ahahahah I've been in and out of Eve for more than a decade, have a lot of different characters and killed off even more trying to find a niche I really like. The whole Alpha thing brought me back after a while away and was surprised that some of my old characters cant be played by me because they are too advanced for an Alpha, so they died..lol but you are correct, Eve is slowly going downhill, they are trying to do a lot of different things to hook in more people, Of course that only works so-so because when you deal with thousands a day you just cant please everyone. I see a day when Eve is FTP for everyone with a booming cash shop, but not yet, and people truly hooked on Eve for a long time gladly throw money at it, either to own the best of everything, or in their mind to help keep the game going. However after the decline of Eve I can see someone else coming out with a new version under a new name...after all they made a LOT of money here...hehehe.


Sorry, your total lack of grasp of the game or any of it's mechanics made me think you were new.

My mistake Roll