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Karma Warrior
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-06-11 21:16:20 UTC
so i'v resubbed after a 2 year break, short question whats the best ways to make isk these days?
Berreta Hinken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2017-06-11 21:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Berreta Hinken
Karma Warrior wrote:
so i'v resubbed after a 2 year break, short question whats the best ways to make isk these days?


Doesn't matter it will get nerfed. Train for cruisers and hope for the best. When I say train I mean just pay money and instantly skill up with injectors.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#3 - 2017-06-11 21:23:16 UTC
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2017-06-11 21:38:40 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2017-06-11 21:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton
highsec mission running 200m/hr+ mainly doing the burner missions and blitzing a few normal ones to keep standings up
highsec incursions I've heard anywhere from 100-200m/hr
nullsec ratting, more dps more isk/hr. carrier ratting is pretty popular right now but that is getting hit with the nerfbat soon
lowsec lv5s massive LP farm opportunity.
lowsec faction warfare: minmatar is high t4 and sometimes hits t5, and gallente has t3. blitz the missions make a ton of LP.
exploration best hacking sites are in null/wh space I've heard over 100m/hr from those
combat exploration highly variable all sorts of shiny drops are possible.
manufacturing, find some good items and you can make some money.
trading: go to jita 4-4 and buy low, sell high. the more money you have the more you can make

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#6 - 2017-06-11 21:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Or for the more advanced:
-Buy PLEX with RL money
-Double the PLEX in Jita
-Sell the doubled PLEX for ISK
-(On the side, roll an Alpha toon and hang out in new players chat and use the "I lost my Rifter" spiel to solicit donations)
-Buy skill injectors with your ISK
-Build a super Omega char with the skill injectors
-(Create another Alpha toon to act as a ringer and give your "Lost a Rifter" char a donation and get the ball rolling. Sometimes you have to prime the pump).
-Use the super char to build a market citadel in Perimeter, extort other citadel owners and make them pay you to take it down
-(On the side, use the Alpha toon to fit a warp stabbed ship and farm ISK in FW)
-Extract the skills from the super Omega
-Sell the skill injectors in Jita, buy PLEX with the ISK
-?
-Profit
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#7 - 2017-06-11 21:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool


I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy".

But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time

EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here)

This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently).


It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance).
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2017-06-11 22:07:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool


I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy).

But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time

EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here)

This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently).


It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance).
What's amazing to me is how you can turn pretty much anything you respond to into a strawman that pushes your agenda.

Mr Epeen Cool.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#9 - 2017-06-11 22:22:02 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-06-11 22:26:26 UTC
Get a carrier
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#11 - 2017-06-11 22:28:12 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool


I imagine this idea appeals to you because you don't like plex to begin with and it appeals to everyone that is crying because it's very easy to think that "CCP is changing things because they are greedy).

But it's nonsense, and actually the same kind of nonsense that we see everytime CCP nerfs something that people learned to exploit. In fact , the complaints that are happening now are the same ones that happened during the 1st Incursion nerf and when CCP rebalanced FW rewards the 1st time

EVE will still have numerous PVE ways to generate wealth after Tuesday. Carriers will still be able to Blitz l5 missions for 500 mil an hour (and without blowing up the economy because missions give LP more than liquid isk, and it's the liquid isk of anoms that is the problem here)

This entire time I've been farming null anoms with sub capital ships and I'm doing fine (like I said in other places, I actually pay attention to what CCP does and I knew Fighter Squadrons would get a big nerf just as soon as enough people jumped on that bandwagon...just like incursions that time 5 years ago and Rorquals more recently).


It's always amazing to me how people act like the world is ending when CCP takes away some seriously OP BS they foolishly came to rely on (not you, talking about the folks complaining about the fighter squadron rebalance).
What's amazing to me is how you can turn pretty much anything you respond to into a strawman that pushes your agenda.

Mr Epeen Cool.


You simply have no ability to address your biases. YOU just started a whole thread about plex.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#12 - 2017-06-11 22:33:28 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2017-06-12 00:02:29 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool


I'm interested to see where plex goes, these changes have a few effects, there seem to be a few supply/demand shifts happening at the same time.

less isk coming into the game -> less isk available to buy plex -> plex prices go down
all those bitter vets actually quit -> less plex demand -> prices go down
all those bitter vets actually quit -> less people buying plex for cash -> plex prices go up
less isk/hr for ratters -> more likely to buy plex -> plex prices go down
fewer reasons to buy skill injectors -> less reasons to buy plex -> plex prices go up


I guess the big question is do bitter vets buy more plex in game with isk, or in RL with cash?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#14 - 2017-06-12 00:38:57 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.
Some might see Tuesdays nerf as proof that that is what CCP is working towards as the primary way to make ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool


I'm interested to see where plex goes, these changes have a few effects, there seem to be a few supply/demand shifts happening at the same time.

less isk coming into the game -> less isk available to buy plex -> plex prices go down
all those bitter vets actually quit -> less plex demand -> prices go down
all those bitter vets actually quit -> less people buying plex for cash -> plex prices go up
less isk/hr for ratters -> more likely to buy plex -> plex prices go down
fewer reasons to buy skill injectors -> less reasons to buy plex -> plex prices go up


I guess the big question is do bitter vets buy more plex in game with isk, or in RL with cash?


Another probable good effect is less people ratting in general. Lots of people only started ratting because the isk per hour increased with the introduction of Fighter Squadrons. In the same way the Incursion nerf made the incursion communities shed a whole bunch of fair weather incursion runners, so too will these changes.

This is good because with less isk coming in the isk everyone owns becomes more valuable, and with few people ratting PLUS the escalation and loot drop changes, when you DO get loot it will be like hitting the jack pot. And people who actually put in the time to explore in null will be rewarded by finding sites people actually want to run so they can sell those or run them themselves (in lots of place sin null right now you can find scannable DED 10/10s that no one does because X type loot isn't worth the hassle and its' easier to just buy escalated sites).

A few month from now no one will remember all this complaining.
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#15 - 2017-06-12 00:52:40 UTC
OP is a CCP alt gathering intel on what to nerf next xP


Try everything before committing. 200m/h is no good if after 20 minutes you want to stab your eyes out.

Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2017-06-12 01:52:58 UTC
I sold a 60 day timecode and it lasted me like three years

I played for a couple years actively after that and ended up with 20 billion just taking missions here and there. I did maybe two years with goonwaffe after that and tbh the flow of SRP for losses in strategic fleets just felt decadent.

My basic advice is seek activities that are fun and also provide ISK rewards. A lot of the game is structured that way, either by CCP alone in PVE or as a result of proper systems made by players.

I think it's a mistake to treat ISK accumulation and fun gameplay separately.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2017-06-12 01:57:19 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.

+1

Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Radious Servasse
Amped.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2017-06-12 02:05:01 UTC
For the solo individual, exploration. For the antagonist, Faction Warfare. For those who wish to live in the wilderness, wormhole living. Probably the best isk in the game is to live in a C5 or C6 wormhole, using a dread and farming combat sites. I've heard of people who have made a bill an hour doing that, but it requires multiple accounts and capital ships. Not to mention you could be caught up in a pvp cap battle where your 3B shinny ship gets wreaked.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2017-06-12 04:47:43 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I am still getting that chimera. Some day it will be OP again. 👌


I'm still saving up for a hel. Even If it's not as good anymore it's still a sexy looking ship and I want it.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-06-12 04:52:20 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Buying PLEX for real income and selling on market for ISK.

+1

Unless you're willing to become a turbonerd, this is the most practical way to enjoy yourself in EVE. If I catch a movie in IMAX 3D and get a large popcorn and drink it's easily $35 - $40 USD. In contrast an annual account is maybe $11 a month plus change, and you get 1.5 BILLION ISK for $15 now. That kind of real world money isn't hard to come by, and should be faster to earn than grinding it in game, in terms of hours of your life spent. Hopefully.


And it is exactly these people that I love. And truly wish there where more of. Because if it wasn't for people putting plex on the market I couldn't afford my alt army. Which would negatively impact my play style. So it's a win win. People who don't want to put the IG work in get their isk fast and easy. And people like me who have solid income streams set up in game get to keep playing the way I want even if I don't have the 200 or so bucks a month to spare to do it.
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