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That's because threads like this are basically pressure release valves lol. CCP has identified something that they pretty much have to do, there is no way around it and they know people aren't going to like it. So they make this thread, let people blow off steam and go through with it anyway.

The fact that most posters don't realize that they aren't really giving feedback but actually blowing off steam doesn't matter. 99% of people complaining are going to keep playing and paying despite threats otherwise and CCP knows that. DEVs telling us anything is more a courtesy than anything, it's just the way it is.

I swoop in them to kill rats once in a while. I think there is some ore there too but I can't confirm with all the dust on grid.

Looks like CCP got it just about right. It's a good compromise when nobody is satisfied.

The industrialists are whining about a cut in production. The combat jockeys are complaining the CCP still makes it too hard for them to take out industrial ships and sites. Even the explorers and mission runners are using it as an opportunity to throw their 2 cents in. They all whine about lack of content.

I am an indy -- choosing to create and build. The rorqual has provided a major increase in productivity that has energized economies of the null-sec regions.

Offsetting this, it is also a vulnerable ship that is a massive target and has no fighting capability other than a handful of drones. It is locked into a fixed location for a set period of time while in its high-production cycle. It is also locked into being tied to an asteroid and exposed out in space when using its main defensive feature. On top of that, once it does finish a production cycle and can move, the term "snail's pace" is an optimistic description of its speed and progress.

The ship is a challenge to build -- requiring lots of PvE industrialist content to raise the large amounts of ISK and create the many materials and finished systems that go into it. It generates a market for lots of PvE exploration and mission running and ratting to provide certain types of loot and salvage needed to manufacture the systems.

It is also a challenge to destroy. No self-aggrandizing ship jockey trying to impress himself with his killboard numbers is going to be able to swoop in with a cruiser and take it out. It will take a serious group of experienced combatants that can operate together as a fleet to be able to take it down.

As for asteroid cluster regeneration. Slowing regeneration down is a reasonable way to keep opportunities balanced a little between high-sec and null-sec. Null-sec still has the advantage -- but they have to go through long supply lines to get things to and from major markets -- providing "content" for the PvP ambushes and counter strikes. It even fits role-play. It would take time for new fields of asteroids to drift into an area.

And when you have a ship that can eat its way through an entire asteroid field in a few hours (and support lesser ships with boost bursts) the miners are still doing quite well. Even a T1 mining barge operating on its own can generate 25 mill to 50 mill in an hour or two of work in the high value ores and ice of the null-sec belts.

Again, you get back to RL issues. The supply was beginning to outstrip demand. People were overbuilding Rorqs and glutting the ore markets.

Also, the Rorq's were devaluing production for the high-sec players who cannot use them. The high-sec miners and manufacturers already face higher taxes and limitations that offset the benefits in high-sec. (Like the lack of "safe" mining areas that can be fully protected.) Just as there are reasons that players operate in low-sec, there are reasons certain players prefer high-sec. (Being able to be a small, independent industrialist without all of the complications of being a small fish in a corp - alliance - coalition is one of them.)

So CCP has let the pendulum swing back the other way a bit. In a way the decrease in supply of asteroids in null-sec -- particularly the rare-ore clusters -- will probably create more demand for the lesser ores in the regular belts. Again, requiring the mining lasers to be turned back on.

Meanwhile Sanctums and high sec incursions continue to spawn new sites instantly! I'm sorry but risking an 8-12 billion isk ship to make maybe 200 mil an hour is a really poor ROI. Considering a ratting carrier can pull down 200mil instant isk for a 2bil ship. The rorq doesn't need nerfs, it needs buffs like 20km laser range on drones that don't orbit the rock. Adjust yield to compensate.

That being said, the solution to this issue is not 'lets nerf the rorq more'. The solution is to increase DEMAND, because you added in tons of citadels and rigs that reduce manufacturing cost.

Speaking of citadels. The ore amount to build them is a JOKE. Increase it. BAM demand! Increase all blueprints while you're at it.

Each tick is 20 minutes. 80 x 3 = 240 mil an hour.
Rorq mining 1 hour = 200-250 mil based on ore type mined, distance, etc.

Oh I see where you got confused. By "instant" I mean it appears in your wallet. You don't have to take things to somewhere to sell them. Speaking of if you actually wanted to fix things like afk ishtar, nullsec ratting. Make rats drop tags that you sell to NPCs in highsec. Oh how the tears would flow. Oh yeah and make the tags enormous, you can compress them in a super carrier though np np.

As the rorqual is getting hit with the bat again, could we look at removing the limitation of not going to HS with it. My morning brain fart.

Very true.

CCP really does not care about people that injected and trained multiple characters to fly Rorquals. They are not interested in what miners want. They are not looking for feedback on this thread. They never asked for it and really they do not want it.

They know what the different groups would feel like even before they made the change.

They are going to make this change and it would amaze me if after 30 pages of comments that anything in the final update will be even slightly different than the OP.

A post like the OP is just to say what they ARE going to do, because they have to say it sometime so why not now.

Doing it on a forum is so that people have the illusion that talking about it may make them change their minds...which it will not.

It is up for all of us to change our game play based on CCP and if we do not like changes to unsub accounts or play a different game.

Honestly...why not? Will be hilarious to watch the stupid thrasher spam go pick off all their 900 mil drones.

This is precisely the right idea. Increasing the input costs through sheer mat quantity will in turn drive market prices and increase the likelihood of killmail seeking said more expensive targets upon purchase and use.

However, Rorqual skill books need to list for less and Excavator drones need to have a T2 version that requires fewer but more specific salvage. My thoughts.