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God, where to start? Neither covert cloak nor nullification is required for exploration. Those subsystems are not needed to do exploration sites. It is required for travel. Some content will be harder and will propablly need to change configuration in order to be done, like ghost sites or sleeper caches, and it is a good thing. Covert cloak is remedy for insta locking ships, nullification for non targeted interdiction, with current drawbacks that configuration will not be like walk in the park as currently is. T3C are and will be special (like overpriced, and SP loss) that's why they get special abilities.

Transport good? Less safe after nerf. Offensive cynos? Because nullified ceptors can't carry them...Hunt ratters? You serious? Obscene amount of ISK in null, carrier ratting in dead end pipes hidden behind mobile bubbles. Make "dirty gate" at pipe starting system and your covert only cyno carrier is useless. Run escalation safe? Yeah, they don't be caught while traveling but they will be on site. This is valid tactics in low and just because F1 monkeys in null don't know how to use combat probes and lachesis doesn't mean those hulls will be super safe.

Just because we nerf proteus beyond the deimos doesn't mean the deimos will start to be usefull after. Covert+nullifing combo has very harsh drawbacks so I don't think recons will be overshadowed because T3Cs can nullifiy bubbles.

I have so concerns about cynos, if covert+nullified combo is too strong:
1) should nullified interdiction hull carry them? (both T3C and ceptors)
2) why not covert hulls only?
3) covert cyno reserved to recons only?

Why gate campers should be boosted? Ususally they dont want to pvp, they can only camp the gate and run when you start pew-pew with them.

Why should you be able to ignore them?

Why they should get free killmail? Or why I should logoff at camped system? Why carriers ratting aligned and ignore pvp when I going to catch them? What is easy: catch carrier when it warp to new rat-site (there is no othe way to catch it if carrier pilot doesn't sleep) or catch covert-nullifier t3 when it pass through gate?

I told that. Dont know what you hear. You want camp gate killing t3 with you "win" button, but carriels still should be uncatchable?


I have cov ops cloak + nullifier. Why t3 should be nerfed, but carriers not? Null+covert is just small nice bonus for such expensive t3 ship.


I dont let them, I will refit and search for pvp at other places. Easy.

You seem to have an obsession with AFK carriers, if you want them nerfed then ask for it somewhere else. This does not mean however that T3C should be able to ignore PvP.

other ships are specifically designed for ignoring pvp
why shouldn't a t3c be able to when its specifically fitted to avoid it
well anyway if the gate camp is decent there si no reason not to catch a t3c
all you need is a sebo dram to decloak and point

shhh . dont use secret language of logic

SP is just ISK. By this logic: people just use hude price of Supercarriers as an excuse to make them overpowered.

This is my main problem with Minmatar in general. The rule - as much as I understand - supposed be that specialization is always better than flexibility/compensation... call it what you want.
The other factions picked a defense bonus for their ships: Amarr has passive armor with high resistance, Gallente has active armor with rep bonus, Caldari has passive shield with high resistance. So by logic, Minmatar should have active shield with booster bonus, and ONLY that.
But Minmatar decided to be a mess by using armor and shield systems randomly, which brings up my problem: if Minmatar isn't specialized in any one defense, then shouldn't it have significantly weaker tank than the other 3 factions?

And this brings up an even bigger problem with the Loki: surprise tank.
The fact that you don't know what kind of tank it has, the Loki should have a huge advantage over the other 3 ships. However, it's still not specialized, so the chance to be tanked against the opponent's weapons should be the main defense. This means that if the opponent failed to guess the tank then the Loki should probably win, even if it's tank isn't specialized, and therefor weaker. But if the opponent guessed the tank then the Loki shouldn't have a chance.

Other personal opinions about the new subsystems:
- still no weapon disruption, sensor dampening and target painting. Are you suggesting that only the ECM wort anything? I would make a sensor/e-war core system with these 4
- based on the previous, another core system would be the cap warfare (Amarr), warp disruption (Gallente), web (Minmatar) and __________ (Caldari). This is another interesting thing, only 3 factions seem to have a unique engineering or propulsion based tactic. In this case Caldari is way behind the other 3 factions.
- cloak and scanning in the same subsystem? Sure they are often used together, but not only used together. I would make the scanning/exploration the third core system, separated from the cloak. This way you could make a well tanked explorer/hunter without a cloak, which sometimes could be more useful.