Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Responding to both of you, thanks for finally giving a reason. Getting one was like pulling teeth.

We need less powerful large ships, not more. Mining is entirely too easy as it is today, and we want to now buff the Orca? Please no. Kass, the Orca isn't a combat ship. It's a mining support ship. Why should you get more of an 'I win' button for your PvE-ing like you are asking for?

If you want to protect your mining fleet, get friends to fly support. Literally every one of your posts is "I want the game to be easier". That's why I respond the way I do. I don't agree with that.

Combat support fleet for mining never has been, nor ever will be a viable option, not without a) making mining incur enough losses enough to justify the expense b) expensive enough barrier of entry to justify the expense and c) lucrative enough to actually pay the expense. All of those conditions would be a bad thing. I wish people would let that argument die off.

The "too easy" reason for "why not" I think has some validity, but I think if that extra *perception* of security lures significant numbers of miners into lowsec then maybe it's actually not only acceptable but desirable. I guess I'm not sure where the yield values for different sec bands currently sit or if lowsec ores would need to be buffed/highsec nerfed, but I'd be pretty thrilled if lowsec mining losses significantly increased even if highsec mining losses saw a decrease. Even though that wasn't the stated goal in the OP, this feels like a solid part of increasing overall risk exposure and interesting content.

I'm not usually too thrilled with OP's ideas either. Or really, most F&I ideas. :P But this one feels like it could be part of something cool. Unless, of course, it breaks everything.

Bullsh*t. Why hold space in sov null if you don't have standing defense fleets 24/7? How hard is it for your fellow ratters and miners to immediately re-ship to combat ships when someone attacks? You are in a fleet and on comms the entire time you're online and PvE-ing, right?

Making null be as safe as HS for carebears is a bad thing, which is what most of OP's posts want to do.

Oh and your "It takes you 40 seconds to align in an orca? Are you a noob?". Open pyfa, orca, all lvl 5s 36.5 second align you ape.

As for your comment that 'all I want to do is make null sec safer for pve'. You seem to care a lot about pvp for someone that doesn't actually do it. My actual opinions however are as follows.

- Add a 30 second delay on local in null sec.
- Boot every afk idiot. Afk cloakers KILL gameplay, they don't create content. You'll make the argument that they are paying for their account. Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone.

You complain about null sec being 'too safe' as it is when it is where most of the ship losses in the game occur. Meanwhile high sec incursion runners are PRINTING isk with impunity.

As for your reshipping comment, it really depends on the type of pvp that occurs. Roaming gang? Sure you can form up and get in some pew. Wormhole opened within a jump of you? They leap in get kills, and vanish before you can really form a response. Covert afk cyno dropper? Only way to deal with that is have you own cyno and a titan bridge on standby. Even if you're in a standing fleet, they simply would never be able to respond in time otherwise.

As for you questioning what I've done in the game. I've been playing since 2005, remember full damage to everything torpedoes that you could outrun? I do. Remember a time before capitals? I do. I've lived in HS, Nullsec, WHs, I've been a low-sec pirate. I've lead a team to the semi finals of the alliance tournament. So if that makes me a "F1 monkey" as you call it. Sure dude.

Cloak/mwd shinnangians?

Perhaps you didn't see the date....2016. He has avoided kills and losses for almost a full year. Gimmie a break. lol

The same goes for me too: my last loss was almost a year ago. And I'm active in hi-sec, and a bit in null too nowadays.

Wait! I think we stepped over a serious issue here.
So a month of plex (500) is currently about 1.3 billion right? And with the last update that added the small injector, the price of injectors increased to 770+ million for some reason. This technically means that if you don't actually need any new skills, you can basically generate 2 months worth of plex (1000) each month (3 extractors/month = 2.5+ billion) by doing literally nothing? And the 3 skill extractors you need only cost 420 plex/month, so you can have infinite omega status + 960 plex/year for free.

Please tell me that I awfully miscalculated something!

Look I really don't want to derail this thread by getting into this topic. I was not 'crying' about it. I simply recognize that there is no counter play to the situation. All you can do is hope to take a few of them down with you depending on what jumps in. Personally I go with the fly cheap crap that pays itself back in an hour of activity, tactic. That being said some way to actually hunt them down in a system would be nice. People say they don't want the game 'safer', so how come the cloaked person at a safe spot gets to be safe for 23 hours? If you allowed people to probe them, and land within say 20km of them. Then you could hunt someone down, something an active pilot can avoid. That would be active game content, which I view as a good thing.

Still, is this supposed to work like this, or players just a few steps ahead of the devs again?