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War dec

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#61 - 2017-06-06 13:56:07 UTC
If they rework the war system I would likely become a full time player again, rather than a forum lurker and occasional logger inner.

I was in the original privateers when they had literally decced half of eve that was in an alliance, it was brilliant fun, we were out numbered in pretty much every system in eve by blinky red and have never had so much fun.


I agree the watch list was miss-used as it hunted cap pilots, which was outside of the scope of what I would call fair usage but they went too far with it, should have had it so if a formal war had been declared you were then able to see that corp/alliance. Or even have the locator agents offer a package deal where they "track" the online status of pilots for you for a cost, which adds a nice isk sink to the game also (to specify I am talking about the online status only for this service and for an extra cost for normal exact per pilot location service)

Allow personal bounties, if under a war dec an individual player can pay a set sum to be declared outside of the scope of the war, that isk goes to the deccing corps wallet and they are no longer blinky, however that pilot will be re entered into the war if they rep/active module on any ship engaged in combat with a loss of their isk.

And like a 1000 more ideas like this.

Would be a good start.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#62 - 2017-06-06 14:37:17 UTC
Made you cry on the forums, looks to me like that war is pretty effective so far.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#63 - 2017-06-06 14:41:20 UTC
My thought on wardecs is that they're horribly misnamed.

What actually happens is a bribe to concord to look the other way while you destroy others in concord protected space.

My only suggestion to the system is that if you bribe concord to look the other way while you attack another corp... anyone should also be able to attack and kill you without a wardec needed in high sec. Concord is looking the other way while you do illegal things. They shouldn't also jump in to protect you.

So that means if you have an active wardec against any corp or alliance in eve... everyone else in the game can attack you at will with no concord response (even though you can only attack the corp you declared war against).

This will create a LOT of fights for those who want fights... the wardeccing corp. Thus they should be extremely happy with the suggestion. Content and all.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#64 - 2017-06-06 14:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Scialt wrote:
My only suggestion to the system is that if you bribe concord to look the other way while you attack another corp... anyone should also be able to attack and kill you without a wardec needed in high sec. Concord is looking the other way while you do illegal things. They shouldn't also jump in to protect you.

Only one more nerf needed and they will be fixed.

Obviously this will result in even bigger wardec alliances which no one will dare to shoot and you will be back here to cry about it within a month.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#65 - 2017-06-06 18:30:39 UTC
Why play a game based on cat and mouse PvE if you don't like cat and mouse PvE?
Gretek Moergyn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2017-06-09 01:17:20 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp....


Somebody declared war on my corp and as a result I have not played in weeks. PvP fighting just is not my cup of tea. I play games to get away from the stress of real life and to have fun, not to give some stranger an easy target.

I have an alpha account but have no plans to upgrade. Years ago I had a paid subscription, but the game just got tedious. Null sec space was more trouble than it was worth.

Combat should be consensual. Those who want to fight, can, and it will be a lot of fun for them. Those of us who don't want to fight should not have to.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#67 - 2017-06-09 04:22:30 UTC
undocking is consenting to PVP I'm afraid.
It doesn't have to be all lazors and missiles though.
Now that it's harder than it used to be to track targets online you can more often than not just move to avoid being attacked.
Staying in a NPC corp stops 100% of wars also.

There are 'relatively safe' paths out there for players, nothing is completely safe though.
However, some minimal effort must be maintained in order to secure your own safety.
CCP is not going to do this for you, you need to make that effort.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2017-06-09 05:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Gretek Moergyn wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp....


Somebody declared war on my corp and as a result I have not played in weeks. PvP fighting just is not my cup of tea. I play games to get away from the stress of real life and to have fun, not to give some stranger an easy target.

I have an alpha account but have no plans to upgrade. Years ago I had a paid subscription, but the game just got tedious. Null sec space was more trouble than it was worth.

Combat should be consensual. Those who want to fight, can, and it will be a lot of fun for them. Those of us who don't want to fight should not have to.


Drop to an NPC corp. Most war dec corps do not leave the trade hubs or the trade lanes. Stay off those and chances are you won't see them at all.

Edit:

Where do you live? Are you basing out of a trade hub? If so, don't do that.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2017-06-09 06:02:07 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Scialt wrote:
My only suggestion to the system is that if you bribe concord to look the other way while you attack another corp... anyone should also be able to attack and kill you without a wardec needed in high sec. Concord is looking the other way while you do illegal things. They shouldn't also jump in to protect you.

Only one more nerf needed and they will be fixed.

Obviously this will result in even bigger wardec alliances which no one will dare to shoot and you will be back here to cry about it within a month.


It is almost like they can't comprehend what an "arms race" is as a general concept. We could observe something like this where there are fewer war dec alliances but that are just that much bigger. This way if a fight escalates they can escalate too.

Or another possibility is that a war dec alliance will create a corp it will war dec, send out a guy to engage an alt in this corp, and when he is engaged by other players in comes the rest of the fleet to have fun.

Or if that is not feasible...welp, finally somebody put the nail in the war dec coffin and on the plus side we can stop seeing all the whine posting by Bads™. We can all just turn to suicide ganking freighters and other overloaded haulers.

C'mon people this is a dynamic competitive game that is complex and allows for emergent game play. Stop treating it like a simple static system where you can change one variable and nothing else changes.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#70 - 2017-06-09 09:15:28 UTC
Gretek Moergyn wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp....


Somebody declared war on my corp and as a result I have not played in weeks. PvP fighting just is not my cup of tea. I play games to get away from the stress of real life and to have fun, not to give some stranger an easy target.

I have an alpha account but have no plans to upgrade. Years ago I had a paid subscription, but the game just got tedious. Null sec space was more trouble than it was worth.

Combat should be consensual. Those who want to fight, can, and it will be a lot of fun for them. Those of us who don't want to fight should not have to.
"Hey Mr. Referee! I know I came onto this court to play basketball but all this competition isn't really my cup of tea. I play basketball to relax and shoot some hoops after a stressful day, not to let some other team score on me or waste my time playing defence. Can you just blow the whistle and give me the ball anytime my opponents take possession, and let me just take a shot after shot and keep racking up points? Scoring points should be completely consensual and I don't like getting scored on so you really need to change the rules to accommodate me."

Friend, those that want to fight already play Eve and have a lot of fun doing so. It is after all, one of the few full-time, open world PvP sandbox games where they can compete for universe-domination. I am not sure why you however are playing. Not only do you find it tedious, you don't seem to want to compete in a shared world with the rest of us. You would be much happier playing some other game where you can never lose and just "shoot baskets" to relax watching some counter tick ever upwards, and have the game declare you winner.

Wardecs are however completely consensual for the player. They are only non-consensual at the corporation level. Just leave your corp and get on playing Eve if that is really want to do. Somehow though, I get the sense that you don't really like playing Eve anyway, at least not in the way it was designed to work, and therefore are just looking for an excuse to not log in. Good thing for your there is a whole variety of games out there, most of which don't feature non-consensual combat in any way.
Kitsa
JAYTEC
#71 - 2017-06-09 12:47:21 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


so 4 times they dec ya and no losses? what is the problem?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#72 - 2017-06-09 15:13:55 UTC
Kitsa wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


so 4 times they dec ya and no losses? what is the problem?

This is a valid question.
If they are not inflicting losses, and you presumably are being at least somewhat smart and not putting yourself directly in danger when you do the things... what is really the issue?
Is it pity for those who are wasting money in a futile attempt to scare the bejesus out of you?
You owe them no sympathy.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.