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Probably been discussed a million times, but Large Transports please

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#21 - 2017-06-06 08:13:01 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.


Jesus...are we that old guys?

Yes. Now look at the millenials and ask yourself if you'd want to grow up like that. I certainly don't and my kids won't.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#22 - 2017-06-06 09:03:11 UTC
Tiberius NoVegas wrote:
im in agreement with the OP, i see a large demand for a new crago ship to fill the gap between industrial and freighter.



Deep Space Transport?
Admittedly, only 62500 cubic metres with maxed skills

Also, another old fart who saw the original Star Wars on release.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-06-06 11:53:20 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.


Jesus...are we that old guys?

Who had the first version of the Game Boy here? It was released on April 21st, 1989 in Japan.
By the way that thing is over a month older than I am! Does this make me young or old?

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.

Lugh Crow-Slave
#24 - 2017-06-06 12:41:29 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.


Jesus...are we that old guys?

Who had the first version of the Game Boy here? It was released on April 21st, 1989 in Japan.
By the way that thing is over a month older than I am! Does this make me young or old?


... young you're not even 30
Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
#25 - 2017-06-06 13:26:55 UTC
Get off my lawn, it slows down my dial up.
I think an Intergalactic backpack is what the op is looking for. That would deprive them the experience of having assets spread across half a dozen regions.

It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2017-06-06 15:22:31 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )


https://xkcd.com/1757/

Enjoy!
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2017-06-06 19:41:31 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )


https://xkcd.com/1757/

Enjoy!


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Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
#28 - 2017-06-06 20:03:46 UTC
"Quake with Fear!" we are old.

It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2017-06-06 22:24:01 UTC
Axure Abbacus wrote:
"Quake with Fear!" we are old.
I regret being too young to catch the moon landings, I was born a couple of years later.

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Sboycole
Doomheim
#30 - 2017-06-16 15:48:37 UTC
Make cargo expanders/rigs affect fleet hanger as well, boom problem solved, and by the way i'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, would fix issue without massive change/new ships
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#31 - 2017-06-16 15:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Sboycole wrote:
Make cargo expanders/rigs affect fleet hanger as well, boom problem solved, and by the way i'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, would fix issue without massive change/new ships



Mmmmno. Not "problem solved". In fact, that just generates a whole host of brand new problems.

There's no real problem here to begin with.

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Lienzo
Amanuensis
#32 - 2017-06-17 02:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lienzo
I'd like to see a destroyer sized industrial with destroyer level build requirements, stats and build costs. Blockade runners could be based on this model.

And then a BC sized industrial with BC level attributes and costs. DSTs could be based on this.

Specialized cargo bays might as well be a special sort of container that only fit in one of these particular classes of ships.

Capital transport class ships need to be better bait ships. A kind of cyno that lets a finite number of subcaps in fleet teleport to their location would be perfectly reasonable. Why can't they have capital tanks? That doesn't make them less worthwhile to escort. In fact, it creates more opportunity for conflict, not less.

The packaged ship volume of frigs could be smaller, 500m3 instead of 2500m3, but I guess CCP wants us to build them on site.
Valdr Auduin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-06-19 01:27:35 UTC
An interesting topic, but I dunno, we already have a massive range of cargo options right now, I'd be more prone to suggest the freighters need something to set each other apart.
Tiberius NoVegas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2017-06-19 10:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius NoVegas
oops wrong button.
Cindy the Sewer
Radiation Sickness
#35 - 2017-06-20 18:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cindy the Sewer
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Sick of current transports not being big enough, and freighters being way too large and slow. Give us Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever. Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow. Give us something in the middle

Probably been discussed to death and back, but throwing in my frustrations :P Also large size mining ships would be cool. Would probably need heavy balancing or made super niche to not totally devalue exhumers.


Large transports would be both tanky and large capacity making them OP, so NO.

As to large mining vessels there are the Orca and the Rorqual depending on where you play the game.

If by larger mining vessel you mean ones with mining lasers, adding these would further devalue the already pathetic price of minerals and the only larger mining vessel that would add anything to the game would be a large mercoxit mining ship but this situation could be better handled by just removing the special-snowflake status of mercoxit and make it as easy to mine as any other ore but perhaps reduce its abundance to offset its increased ease of mining via Rorquals.

Let me be clear here while i find mercoxit's status as a special snowflake annoying as hell im not advocating it actually be changed.

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Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
#36 - 2017-06-20 23:35:10 UTC
I personally don't feel that there is a need. I do own a blockade runner, Deep space transport, Obelisk, Orca, and have nice bpc pictures of a Rorqual and jump freighter for the day I need more M3. There are choices.

On the off chance there was a need for a Heavy DST it should use a one tenth scale Titan module with the grid of a battle Cruiser. Make it from the Syndicate faction and give it the traits from the Lux Yacht. It should have a dedicated plex hold that adds a 50% bonus to drop.

50% bonus to warp speed and warp acceleration
100%reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement
• Immune to Interdiction Sphere Launcher, Warp Disruption Field Generator and Mobile Small, Medium and Large Warp Disruptor
• Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#37 - 2017-06-21 07:18:30 UTC
With the orca at 140k and a bulk head freighter at just less than 400k, what gap are you talking about?

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Tiberius NoVegas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2017-06-21 08:55:08 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
With the orca at 140k and a bulk head freighter at just less than 400k, what gap are you talking about?


The Orca's normal cargo capacity to haul anything not ore is only 30,000, this can be expanded up to around 134,000. This is at a cost tag of around 730,0000,000 isk are current market value.

I dunno any ship in EVE knowns as the bulk head freighter. did you mean the Bowhead? if so it has a cargo capacity of only 4k and a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,600,000 expandable up to 2,000,000. while this will allow you to move ships around, it still wont let you move massive quantity of any other game items.

price tag per regular cargo hold, your wasting isk buying an Orca for hauling anything other then ore. would be better to just pay another 400,000,000 isk and buy any racial freighter. once again leaving a massive gap in industrial ships between Industrial's and freighters in both cargo capacity and isk price.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2017-06-23 22:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
I like diversity in the availability of ships: different sizes, races, fittings, etc, but I don't really think this void in the industry tree of life is as big a deal as you making it out to be. It also sounds like you're doing some pretty funky, specialized hauling.

All this being said I'd be fine with ORE large hauler. Maybe like a T2 vessel, an ORE Transport with a 200-300k of straight fleet hanger room.

Don't get me wrong though I'm don't think it's really needed, or a must have for the general populace. It's not really worth the time and development cost to CCP.
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#40 - 2017-06-23 22:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Tiberius NoVegas wrote:


I dunno any ship in EVE knowns as the bulk head freighter. did you mean the Bowhead? if so it has a cargo capacity of only 4k and a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,600,000 expandable up to 2,000,000. while this will allow you to move ships around, it still wont let you move massive quantity of any other game items.



FFS, he meant a regular freighter fit with bulkheads.

There's no "gap". Ever GD range of cargo is reasonably covered by existing fits in varying configurations. The expectation that you should be able to dial-a-cargo at the pricetag of your choosing is moronic.

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