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Get Rid of Faction Frigs/Cruisers from FW Plex's

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-06-04 03:14:54 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
You all missed the entirety of the post; except one person.

"Get a faction frig -- then you can kill faction frigs"
Really?

...

*THE ENTIRE POINT HAS BEEN MISSED*

FW is supposed to be an outlet to do NONE OF THOSE THINGS.

You are SUPPOSED to be able to hope into a T1 hull with meta4/5 fittings and be competitive.
You are SUPPOSED to be solo or just meeting up with whoever shows up as 'in militia' in local...

No one missed anything from what I read of the thread.

You are just crying because FW doesn't fit your narrow expectation, not because it doesn't meet CCP's design intention.

For example: the last two sentences, where do they come from?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2017-06-04 03:17:57 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
You all missed the entirety of the post; except one person.

"Get a faction frig -- then you can kill faction frigs"
Really?

...

*THE ENTIRE POINT HAS BEEN MISSED*

FW is supposed to be an outlet to do NONE OF THOSE THINGS.

You are SUPPOSED to be able to hope into a T1 hull with meta4/5 fittings and be competitive.
You are SUPPOSED to be solo or just meeting up with whoever shows up as 'in militia' in local...

No one missed anything from what I read of the thread.

You are just crying because FW doesn't fit your narrow expectation, not because it doesn't meet CCP's design intention.

For example: the last two sentences, where do they come from?


Obviously that's the way it's designed right. I mean that's why FW doesn't allow you to form fleets. And only allows solo pilots to join instead of corporations... oh wait.
An-Nur
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2017-06-04 03:22:44 UTC
This is just dumb, sorry. The t1 frigs, destroyers, cruisers running around fw way outlay faction. If you can't pop, you can't pop, no matter the bling.
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#24 - 2017-06-04 03:44:15 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
Do swordfighters practice with real swords because "that is how it actually is" or do they practice with wooden swords when they first start out?


I'm pretty sure that they would do so if they could never die, like we capsuleers do in EVE.
Also who says that FW is a training for PVP? It is meant to be REAL PVP. If you want some training, ask a friend to duel you on test server, or join the RvB, but you will never learn as much from these training as from real fights.
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
#25 - 2017-06-04 06:19:54 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
But why stop there? Why prohibit those but not t2 ships?


T2 ships arent allowed in Faction Warfare.

You clear no not know anything about FW.

And since you do not, why are you here posting?
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
#26 - 2017-06-04 06:22:01 UTC
An-Nur wrote:
This is just dumb, sorry. The t1 frigs, destroyers, cruisers running around fw way outlay faction. If you can't pop, you can't pop, no matter the bling.


You have no idea what you're talkng about.

How can a comet take on a federation navy comet?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#27 - 2017-06-04 06:26:03 UTC
remove faction ships from faction warfare Roll
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#28 - 2017-06-04 06:45:50 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:


Faction warfare is made for new players who want to learn PvP and "getting wrecked by more expensive ships is like real PvP" MAKES NO SENSE.



It isn't.
Don Pera Saissore
#29 - 2017-06-04 07:05:18 UTC
OP if you are a long time fw player then you should know that t1 frigs and dessies are far more effective than faction and t2 ships simply because they are cost effective
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#30 - 2017-06-04 08:19:16 UTC
people who proclaim 'Don't let faction ships in FW complexes!' for the reason 'It helps newbies!' forget one thing: it doesn't matter.

Why? Because they're new. The guy in his T1 frig will die to the veteran flying a frig in the FW complex, whether that frig is T1 or faction, it doesn't matter, our newbie dies.

What it does however is up the stakes. The newbie with some combat experience can have a chance when he got a faction frig & our vet flies a T1 frigate (for cost efficiency). Now the odds are more equal, gear VS skill.

Eliminate the ability for Faction frigs to enter complexes & newbies stand no chance at all, T1 frig only? Equal gear means skill wins every time, so the veteran will always win.

So by keeping in Faction frigs as allowed ships, you keep the door open to a much larger diversity of engagements & outcomes. That is also far more healthier for PvP then too limited restrictions.
This offers also the choice between isk efficiency (fly T1 frigates) and combat efficiency (fly faction frigates)

Extend above to all T1 & faction ship variant complexes.

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#31 - 2017-06-04 08:29:11 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
1 good reason. Here you go.
Because faction warfare is a good stepping stone in pvp. And faction ships are a reality of pvp at any scale. Yes they cost more, but they offer considerable advantages.
Same could be said of tech 2 weapons and ships. Should those be locked out as well? Why don't we just restrict novice plex to rookie ships with civilian mods?
Why should faction ships be the arbitrary cutoff?


Oh why stop there, also if you have implants you should keep people with those out too.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-06-04 08:40:07 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
This isn't ABOUT YOU.


You know, it isn't about you either. There's no good reason faction frigs shouldn't be allowed sInce they do exist and will be used in pvp in all areas of space.

Good luck learning to pvp by just going to FW, all you'll learn is how to 1v1 against ships you choose to fight, but with the crutch of complexes.

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ISD Bubblemoon
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#33 - 2017-06-04 08:49:59 UTC
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2017-06-04 09:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
And allow botting Punishers with 5 WCS to roam uninterrupted in their plexes?

Furthermore, the fitting that you used as an example is horrible. Try blasters instead of rails and a scram instead of the web and we are talking. There is no need for range because you just sit on the warp in beacon of the faction warfare plex behind the gate and scram-blap everything that comes in. I have made this experience with my Slicer against a Kestrel already. It is not that hard.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#35 - 2017-06-04 09:18:36 UTC
Yet faction ships ate killed by t1 all the time. Each has a counter just like any other ship. In fact some t1 ships simply outperform faction ones when you invest the same amount of isk often times you can greet away with investing less
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2017-06-04 09:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Desmios Sanguis wrote:
An-Nur wrote:
This is just dumb, sorry. The t1 frigs, destroyers, cruisers running around fw way outlay faction. If you can't pop, you can't pop, no matter the bling.


You have no idea what you're talkng about.

How can a comet take on a federation navy comet?


They would both be federation comets. You are just showing that it is you who in fact clearly does not know what you are talking about. T2 are allowed in FW there are sites that allow them in, and the main site for capturing the system has no gate so anything can go there, including capital ships. And plenty of people bring capital ships.

So I'll just repeat the answer. Get Good, Get Friends, Stop Whining, And stop embarrassing yourself by telling the people who clearly do know more than you about this that they don't.

Btw I almost won a duel against a Fed navy comet using a Venture. I only lost cause i made a mistake. There is more to playing Eve than SP and what ship your flying.
Rhaegon Aesir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2017-06-04 10:21:22 UTC
Desmios Sanguis wrote:

You have no idea what you're talkng about.

How can a comet take on a federation navy comet?


You're not helping your case by citing ships that don't actually exist...
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
#38 - 2017-06-04 11:45:31 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Yet faction ships ate killed by t1 all the time. Each has a counter just like any other ship. In fact some t1 ships simply outperform faction ones when you invest the same amount of isk often times you can greet away with investing less


Can you link me a worm or a garmur being killed by a t1 hull?

I'd really like to see it.
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
#39 - 2017-06-04 11:47:58 UTC
Rhaegon Aesir wrote:
Desmios Sanguis wrote:

You have no idea what you're talkng about.

How can a comet take on a federation navy comet?


You're not helping your case by citing ships that don't actually exist...


You know what I mean.
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
#40 - 2017-06-04 11:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Desmios Sanguis
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So I'll just repeat the answer. Get Good, Get Friends, Stop Whining, And stop embarrassing yourself by telling the people who clearly do know more than you about this that they don't.


And this is why FW will die.

Because so many players on these forums are total dicks.

The only suggestions players ever give are: Git gud and git more ppl and stop QQ'ing

**** it, forget it, I'm out.

Try to do something nice for the game and you are all total dicks.

Go **** yourselves.
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