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It still staggers me how much CCP is willing to push Eve as a "sandbox" while punishing player behaviour in that sandbox.

7 months ago CCP announced changes for Mining for the better when they made the rorqual the ultimate mining machine.

7 months ago I resubscribed to EVE after 7 years gone and ventured out into null sec for the first time.

I could fly a hulk with perfect skills but mining got boring and missions were just a grind.

Now I had to play catch up and be able to sit in doctrine ships and shoot guns but all the while my ultimate goal was getting into that rorqual and bringing home the big bucks.

Oh sure it's a huge investment, more money than I had ever seen in my career and 5 minutes in a siege cycle is an eternity when you see neutrals in system but despite the risks, the HUGE investment and being left vulnerable for long periods of time risks. It's worth it because for a single box player like myself, there is just nothing better for mining than a rorqual. The Capitol Ship of mining. Just like Super Ratting is the pinacle of ratting. Of course when I get there the goal post will have moved so many times it wont be worth it anymore, the risk of this lumbering beast is just too great for your average player. So yes, cater to only the largest alliances who can have 23/7 protection for their mining fleets as it doesn't matter how bad the Rorqual is, as long as it beats a Hulk it will be THE ship to mine in, and since it's so protected they can bring 10 alts with rorquals no matter how bad it is.

Here's a hint, make mining in a rorqual a more interactive experience, like carriers ratting or exploration so you can't dual box nearly as much and you will do far better at slowing down the problems with rorquals than you will by just giving a flat nerf.

Anyway thanks for s**ting on the last 7 months of my time CCP.

Finaly some ceiling for more system spread.
Took long enough.

keyword game

As soon as i saw the authors name my gut churned with the knowledge these changes were going to once again NOT address issues but simply add more nerfs.

CCP Fozzie - The only Dev you can rely on to screw you over and call it "balance". Can't really blame it on him though, he is just the scapegoat, the ugly face of "CCP don't know what they are doing"

To all other Devs, you have a nice pasty in Fozzie, I hope you all buy him beers. I mean honestly who in their right mind would deliberately set out to make themselves less popular with the community.,.

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One question though (which I know won't get answered) Is the 9% yield nerf including the 12.5% speed nerf or are they individual nerfs to make it a really major nerf to drone mining?
More Travel time = less yield
So;
9% reduction in yield + 12.5% reduction in speed = A bloody big nerf.


Which simply means - We want to see mineral prices go up so we are making mining with Rorquals even more risky and less productive, all in one sweep.

miner, calm down.

rorqs create content, I don't really mine, but pls no nerfs, if anything make it where more people will stop ratting in carriers that stay aligned the whole time in saftey and have more people in sieged rorqs. With the PANIC and siege, rorqs are basically the perfect thing to create escalating content in nullsec without more timers. I hate timers, I like rorqs for that reason.

So first off, we get OP Rorqs...no-one is shocked when they get nerfed, we are irritated they get nerfed again but then pretty much spit in CCPs face and mine up almost 7 TRILLION value in Delve. Another nerf was honestly expected after seeing those numbers. That's not great, but ok cool, we will adapt, just adding more accounts etc.

The main issue I have here, along with most other people around it seems, is the timers on belts.

Here is my concern: With the introduction of Citadels and EC's, people have set up 'home systems' within their corps and alliances where they have got their EC production backbone set up investing up to 100+ billion on structures to build capitals, supers, titans and whatever else they want. This was encouraged by CCP. We did it safe in the knowledge that we could undck, warp to an anom (be it Ratting or Mining) and pretty much stay local, maybe having to move to a surrounding system if our home got busy or a WH popped up. That's fine, normal and expected.

Now what we have in 100's of billions invested in static infrastructure that realistically cannot be moved (loose rigs..and screw that!) and now out of the blue we get timered ore anoms roughly 6 months after EC's got put in, enough time to get Sotiyos, Azbels etc set up, running and all happy dappy. Granted Rorqs have a very large jump range (10ly if your serious about using them) and yes you can jump to a nice medium EC/Citadel as a waypoint for tether and be pretty much 100% safe, unless you bounce or screw up.

Now that is fine for the old guys in Null, they can fly a rorq, they can jump, they can do whatever. It's the newbros we have to worry about now. They can indeed store their barges/exhumers in a rorq and have it jumped and jump into a ceptor and fly over, but would that make mining 'fun' for them? Spending a decent percentage of their tme moving around to ge the dregs the Rorqs leave behind for them, or being relegated to Mercoxite miners and nothing more?

Now here is the final kicker that actually annoys me about the respawn timers:

I'm an Aussie, the time between EU and US is my prime time. Hey guess what? Both have eaten the collosal belt..I only have 2 hours to play and wanted to get 30-60 minutes mining in before a strat op or whatever...guess what I can't do now? Yep...mine. I mean I COULD mine..but I would have ot spend 20 minutes on an alt in a ceptor trying to find a belt worth jumping to (fuel cost to jump whilst tiny, adds up if your only mining for a short time span before having to stop/log) or just settling on a small or medium belt that would just add low ends to my stockpile when I already have billions and billions of that crap in the hangers that I simply can't use.



Here is something of a minor solution: Fix the consumption amounts for capital/super/titan ships and their components to use more low ends maybe? Or change the split of Null ore anoms to have less of the low ends and more of the mid/high ends to promote importing for HS (which I would have but what can you do, got to meet on the middle ground, right?) This way we could have the ore anoms around without a timer and the low end market doesn't go the way of the dodo. Maybe even gut the respawn timer to 50% of what it is. 2.5 hours for a collosal, whilst a kick in the nuts, is painfully acceptable.

Another solution is to have more random ore anoms pop up like the 'Small Bistot/Arkanor Deposite' that needs to be scanned out (or just how they are now, just more often spawn) This would let people do some mining when the big statics are gone and lets people in barges/exhumers grab some high ends that are always cherry picked down in Delve by the big guys (I'm sure cherry picked all over the place as well). This would balance out the 'awwww hell....no anoms worth mining and I only have an hour to play/mine and I REALLY don't want to to asteroid belt mining cos they pop so damned fast' situations. It would also encorage a mini profession of prospect miners (not the ship the prospect, but the activity of prospecting systems for 'gold)

Sad thing is people, CCP isn't gothing to bother changing this as it's coming out on the 13th or something like that. They are in panic damage control mode and our elected CSM seem to of been able to do diddly squat for out interests as CCP seems top of ignored them too...I feel sorry for those guys and gals, I really do (the CSM)

So I have seen tons of complaints about the respawn times

20 minutes for the Small Asteroid Cluster
1 hour for the Medium Asteroid Cluster
2 hours for the Large Asteroid Cluster variants
4 hours for the Enormous Asteroid Cluster variants
5 hours for the Colossal Asteroid Cluster variants

Now I know you can't efficiently get 50 rorqs into one small belt, but come on spread out your fleet a little How long does it really take anymore to clear a belt? Work your way thru them. Also, if you have dozens of rorqs to mine with.....you probably have more than one system at lvl 5 indy...so move to another system, clear that one, and them come back.