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They won't stop at nerfing the Drake...
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Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#81 - 2012-01-22 04:41:32 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Max Von Sydow wrote:
NERF?
I'd almost call that a buff.


Without the tank the drake is useless. A bit of extra range wont help when your expensive BC hull is instapopped by a small alpha fleet. Mise well fly a BS cruiser to get through the CTA and then go puke in some belt in frustration while an alliance leader counts this months moon goo production.


I disagree totally, I run ewar on my drake, since no one bothers shooting you till your buddies are dead.

The NERF is a boost for sure.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#82 - 2012-01-23 22:05:33 UTC
Xolve wrote:


The rage is strong within this one.


The overused infantile meme-idiocy is even stronger with ^^that^^ one.

Ni.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#83 - 2012-01-24 00:08:27 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Xolve wrote:


The rage is strong within this one.


The overused infantile meme-idiocy is even stronger with ^^that^^ one.
Got a rise out of you though, so it worked quite nicely.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#84 - 2012-01-24 00:19:12 UTC
I rather happy with this perspective change for the drake, i have never been a fan of the kinetic damamge focus when missles actualy get to normaly chose their damage type. Oh and you can still pull of a far better tank than a cain, and with 30k hams hit them while their using baradge.

U mad at theory crafting thats not even on sisi or official bro?
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-01-24 00:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kietay Ayari
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:


You're a moron...

That is all that needs to be said.



this, and Tengu is the most OP ship in the game. facerolling 700dps from 60km+ with ridiculous EHP, and sig/speed tank via the 100mn AB. Cynabal is close behind.

so if the Drake is getting nerfed, they better bring the Tengu down as well.


I don't care what they do to the Drake but don't touch the Tengu! The only thing I would accept is a reduction in HML range :[ It is too pretty to be nerfed. Stop being rude please!

Also! Maybe the drake won't have its 90k EHP anymore, but no one should be wasting time doing L4 missions in them, and the ability to switch damages types just makes it better for L3 missions. So highsec missioners should be happy. As for people who solo in a drake because it has high EHP :| sorry? I dont think the difference between 70kEHP or 90k is going to make a difference if you will live or not against a blob. Plus when you do find a target to fight 1v1 you will be able to use HAMs for quicker asplosions!

Ferox #1
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#86 - 2012-01-24 00:42:37 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Max Von Sydow wrote:
NERF?
I'd almost call that a buff.


Without the tank the drake is useless. A bit of extra range wont help when your expensive BC hull is instapopped by a small alpha fleet. Mise well fly a BS cruiser to get through the CTA and then go puke in some belt in frustration while an alliance leader counts this months moon goo production.


Big deal.


I speed tank my Drake and kite like a fiend anyway and I even fit drone modules because I can. So there.


By the way, you ready to join the dark side and join those anti-mom fleets? Still got your cookies I offered you last week but I have to keep them warm in my ass crack.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Novinya
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-01-24 01:00:27 UTC
Is there a link to what the OP is talking about?

Is this fact or just speculation?

Exchanging a kinetic bonus for an ROF bonus would be a minor buff.

Exchanging shield resistance for missile velocity bonus would be a tremendous nerf.

Missile velocity bonuses are across the board useless, because missile sniping just doesn't work.

Make it an explosion velocity bonus or explosion radius bonus or something instead.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#88 - 2012-01-24 10:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Mag's wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Xolve wrote:


The rage is strong within this one.


The overused infantile meme-idiocy is even stronger with ^^that^^ one.
Got a rise out of you though, so it worked quite nicely.


So why is a lack of tolerance for infantile kid-ults with delusions of adequacy so wrong?

Maybe there's a fundamental disconnect here between the 1337 PvP!!!!111!!!oneoeneone!! crowd, and those of us who remember the days before Internet?

Hell, that seems as good a reason as any, I mean, who really even knows any more...Roll [/cynicism]

Ni.
Slokman
#89 - 2012-01-24 10:46:39 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?

Under this new return to the Incarna mindset in my opinion. It is not about fixing lower tier or higher class craft so they actually get used in fleet battles. It is about nuking anything that is actually useable for a solo pilot or small group. The Tengu will coming if you sit back and let this Drake nerf go on without protest.

This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.


You're a moron...

That is all that needs to be said.

^^this

I love the forums. So much emo nerd rage, Hell its more fun then the actual game!
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-01-24 13:51:24 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Maybe there's a fundamental disconnect here between the 1337 PvP!!!!111!!!oneoeneone!! crowd, and those of us who remember the days before Internet?


Cool Ad Hominem Bro.
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-01-24 13:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Hofstedar
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?

Under this new return to the Incarna mindset in my opinion. It is not about fixing lower tier or higher class craft so they actually get used in fleet battles. It is about nuking anything that is actually useable for a solo pilot or small group. The Tengu will coming if you sit back and let this Drake nerf go on without protest.

This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.


Your a moron

Bottom line is, like the Tengu, the drake/tengur t3 cruisers aer massivley OP ships capable of doing a ton fo crap solo messing the market up

**** needs to be nerfed, ur just to selfish or stupid to see that
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#92 - 2012-01-24 14:24:42 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Max Von Sydow wrote:
NERF?
I'd almost call that a buff.


Without the tank the drake is useless.
Excuse me what? What ship is the #1 used ship in blobfare? And you do not think it might need a slight change?

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#93 - 2012-01-24 19:18:18 UTC
Now I'm pissed. The description for the Drake still reads with the old bonuses and I went through the trouble to get a drake-fit Gila because I refuse to do the intelligent thing and change the way I work. Damnit CCP keeping things the way I liked them!
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#94 - 2012-01-24 22:34:48 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Maybe there's a fundamental disconnect here between the 1337 PvP!!!!111!!!oneoeneone!! crowd, and those of us who remember the days before Internet?


Cool Ad Hominem Bro.


My troll-fu >>>>>> your troll-fu.

Not ad hominem, either:

Simple observation, no more, no less.

And I'm not your "Bro," mate--**** off.

Ni.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#95 - 2012-01-24 23:00:22 UTC
I have a funny feeling that this Drake nerf is in fact the Gallente buff.

P

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jack Corigan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-01-24 23:06:56 UTC
The Drake is overplayed and ruins the experience of eve. The tank is seriously overpowered and way too many people hide behind it. There is a lot of other fascinating ships out there that players ignore because a drake feels like a safter option.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#97 - 2012-01-24 23:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?

Under this new return to the Incarna mindset in my opinion. It is not about fixing lower tier or higher class craft so they actually get used in fleet battles. It is about nuking anything that is actually useable for a solo pilot or small group. The Tengu will coming if you sit back and let this Drake nerf go on without protest.

This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.


Your a moron

Bottom line is, like the Tengu, the drake/tengur t3 cruisers aer massivley OP ships capable of doing a ton fo crap solo messing the market up

**** needs to be nerfed, ur just to selfish or stupid to see that


No, they are not. Just because something is an example of good game-design in a game that's mostly informed by bad game-design doesn't make it overpowered.

And nerfing everything into same-ish generic blandness instead of improving what's underpowered, that's always a brilliant solution Ugh

I know! Let's fix the Nighthawk--by nerfing a completely different ship (ref.: CSM Meeting Minutes).

Oh, ******* brilliant!RollRoll

E: "You're," not "your." Calling others stupid is much more convincing when you get grade 2 grammar right whilst doing so.

Ni.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#98 - 2012-01-24 23:25:04 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Just because something is an example of good game-design in a game that's mostly informed by bad game-design doesn't make it overpowered.


But it makes it out of step with the whole game, and not belonging with everything else. Ships are meant to have strengths and weaknesses, which define their role in fleets. The Drake and Tengu are "overall good", and thus fulfilled too many roles. If there were more ships like the Drake/Tengu, we would see more variation of ships being flown, sure, but if they're all good at everything, that results in far more blandness than everyone flying crappy ships that are crappy at different things.

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#99 - 2012-01-24 23:36:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I have a funny feeling that this Drake nerf is in fact the Gallente buff.

P



How is not explicitly giving Gallente ships what they need most--more base speed, close if not equal to Minmatar, and/or especially reduced penalties to same from armour-rigs/mods--going to benefit Gallente, again?

That race's ships are

STILL.
TOO.
*******.
SLOW.


What the bloody **** does what the Drake/Cane/Tengu/whichever other ship the idiots are crying about being OP this week have to do with whole other race's ships' intrinsic, and still mostly-unaddressed, deficiencies?

**** that sucks needs fixing, not other ships that don't suck, (but are by no means "solo insta-pwn mobiles") getting nerfed because idiots who don't know how to fly/fit them got their asses handed to them by a Drake. Or a Hurricane. Or even a Tengu...(Since when should a 1.2Bn ISK ship not be powerful and versatile, especially a class that is based entirely around versatility? Tengus are not that hard to kill, by the way--a lot of the people flying them are idiots.)

What next: Rifter nerf?

"NERF IT BECAUSE I CAN'T FLY/ADAPT TO IT!! IT KEEPS BEATING ME!!! I DON'T LIKE TO EARN MY WINS, I WANT IT HANDED TO ME!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!"

For ****'s sake...

This myopic crap is almost as hathos-inducing as all the supercapital-nerf cry/troll-threadsUgh

Ni.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#100 - 2012-01-24 23:47:00 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Holy mother of all ragefits.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)