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[June] Nullsec Asteroid Cluster and Excavator Drone changes

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STHIRE7
RUCIHIIII
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#101 - 2017-06-01 21:36:01 UTC
its a secret plan!
Makes rorq equivalent 1.5 hulk, so 50 rorq account, if they want to save it effectivity, must use 100 hulk account. Doubles paid accounts - profit
Grymwulf
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2017-06-01 21:37:51 UTC
I also love the implications of this:

Ghost training, virtually unlimited isk printing for skill point conversion.

I know, let's kill this by triggering hundreds of people to extract their mining skills! Instead of fixing the underlying problem, let's just **** everything else up instead of addressing the elephant in the room.

I'm a jerk.  Get used to it.
Kist Shi
Pixel Knights
Dead Pixels Inc
#103 - 2017-06-01 21:38:04 UTC
Stvndog wrote:
*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong?



the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?
Anoron Secheh
Nevermore.
#104 - 2017-06-01 21:38:48 UTC
Grymwulf wrote:
I also love the implications of this:

Ghost training, virtually unlimited isk printing for skill point conversion.

I know, let's kill this by triggering hundreds of people to extract their mining skills! Instead of fixing the underlying problem, let's just **** everything else up instead of addressing the elephant in the room.


Yeah because they can only make one change or fix at a time, and they're totally not losing money by leaving it on the table as something allowable. I'm sure the only reason they haven't said anything about it is because they are working on a fix.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2017-06-01 21:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Read
*takes deep breath*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thank God I sold my Rorqual after the last nerf and extracted the skills. I made 60 bil off of one Rorqual before the nerfs so thanks CCP. Twisted
Vernorius Astartis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2017-06-01 21:43:05 UTC
wtf....this cant be real.....with all the risk we are taking with those multi billion assets....then you want to throw us under the bus.....its still hard enough to make some isk mining
Le Mittani
Free Ritto
#107 - 2017-06-01 21:43:17 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Le Mittani wrote:

on the bright side it will end the cherry picking drama so thats good for you guys

it's gonna make it way worse because if you're not going to be there in 5 hours why bother clearing out the garbage to respawn it :cripes:

thanks for putting in those merx asteriods despite literally everyone telling you they should be removed ccp, you wrecked merx mining as a thing AND made ore anoms more annoying and stupid!

Nice the kick ASCEE dream lives at least
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2017-06-01 21:43:36 UTC
Kist Shi wrote:
Stvndog wrote:
*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong?



the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?


Except the current supply of AUR to PLEX that were free (as AUR was given away by ccp in an attempt to boost micro transactions) yes. Every plex is paid with real life money at some point in time.
Harry Brugg
Harrae Brugge Holdengs Corpe
#109 - 2017-06-01 21:44:26 UTC
you know its good when 90% of the replies are salty goons
i think 5h is a bit harsh tho, maybe start timer when anom spawns/is warped to , not when its done.
Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG
#110 - 2017-06-01 21:46:12 UTC
While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do.
K thx bai
Sharnhorst von Deathwish
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#111 - 2017-06-01 21:46:48 UTC
So, multiboxing with 5-6 AFKtars + 1 super is a better solution? Riiight.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2017-06-01 21:47:38 UTC
Harry Brugg wrote:
you know its good when 90% of the replies are salty goons
i think 5h is a bit harsh tho, maybe start timer when anom spawns/is warped to , not when its done.


Mittens told us to pretend to be outraged here so that PL fozzie would keep boosting our relative power due to incompetence.
Zishy Linaris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2017-06-01 21:47:39 UTC
Gaara's sniper wrote:
While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do.
K thx bai


you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Kist Shi
Pixel Knights
Dead Pixels Inc
#114 - 2017-06-01 21:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kist Shi
Grymwulf wrote:
Le Mittani wrote:
Grymwulf wrote:
Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.

Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game.

So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason?


No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve.

Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month.

Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore)

Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems...

Goons:
Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining.

Everyone else:
Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain.....




Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ...

I don't like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the colossal it will be all the anoms, its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy will just take them all to himself. There are many more like him in delv too
This isn't a criticism just an observation
Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG
#115 - 2017-06-01 21:52:52 UTC
Zishy Linaris wrote:
Gaara's sniper wrote:
While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do.
K thx bai


you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


I WANT TO BELIEVE
Mierin Arthie
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2017-06-01 21:54:23 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.

As for the anom respawns, seems good, I wonder if we could get something similar in HS ? with a few fat HS ore anom instead of dozen of belts, a timer could be fine on them, so miners have to actually move more to get more ore. More ships moving here and there => more content imo, and not juste capital ships bullsh** in NS only.


so you applaud their intent of removing every incentive for a rorqual or orca to go out into the anoms? who then will provide mining boost for your mining barge/exhumer? not the rorqual and orcas, thats for sure
Urist Mcflyship
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2017-06-01 21:55:48 UTC
Kist Shi wrote:


Words




Please don't post drunk, my friend
XveNos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2017-06-01 21:56:24 UTC
#Kick CCP Fozzie!
Stvndog
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2017-06-01 21:56:58 UTC
Kist Shi wrote:
Stvndog wrote:
*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong?



the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?



That is not right
Inquisitor Lucious
Maybe it's Maybelline
#120 - 2017-06-01 21:57:51 UTC
Kist Shi wrote:
Grymwulf wrote:
Le Mittani wrote:
Grymwulf wrote:
Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.

Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game.

So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason?


No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve.

Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month.

Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore)

Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems...

Goons:
Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining.

Everyone else:
Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain.....




Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ...

i dont like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the collosl it will be all the anoms its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy with just take them all to himself. there are many more like him in delv too



You know whats going to happen now? expansion. Delve, 1 solitary null sec region in eve has been able to support and sustain an ENTIRE coalition, if thats no longer the case and we want to maintain our current way of life we will simply start taking more regions again.