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Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#1 - 2017-06-01 14:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hilti Enaka
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.
Omar Alharazaad
Praetorian Cannibals
Cannibal Empire
#2 - 2017-06-01 14:25:23 UTC
Indeed.
They need to fix locator agents so that targeted wars can be prosecuted in a civilized fashion that allows a realistic opportunity for an aggressor to successfully hunt down targets in a manner that isn't a complete waste of time and ISK.
As it stands it's rediculously inefficient to spend hours on end and millions of isk just chasing the ghosts of people who aren't actually online.
Be thankful, with your three man corp there's a very realistic chance of a motivated customer service agent being able to find where you are and deliver you quality service. Just think of all the supremely disappointed members of corps with hundreds of members who will never be able experience this service unless they idiotically wander down a pipe into a trade hub while war decced.
For just 29 cents a day...

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2017-06-01 14:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


This has been bantered about from the beginning.

The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.

The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.

I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.
Sasha Nemtsov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-06-01 14:50:56 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention?
Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#5 - 2017-06-01 15:06:15 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


This has been bantered about from the beginning.

The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.

The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.

I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.


The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance.

I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked.

Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on.

Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play!
Flharfh Lhar
Sasquatch Control Bureau
#6 - 2017-06-01 15:09:09 UTC
You only have three members. Close your corp, re-form a new one, and stop whining. Wardec solved.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#7 - 2017-06-01 15:16:13 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#8 - 2017-06-01 15:21:01 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention?

Vendetta? Likly asked for a blue or hired them for protection.
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2017-06-01 15:25:40 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


This has been bantered about from the beginning.

The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.

The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.

I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.


The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance.

I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked.

Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on.

Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play!


Actually you don't know ****.

You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue.

You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic.
Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#10 - 2017-06-01 15:26:55 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention?

Vendetta? Likly asked for a blue or hired them for protection.


LOL - I couldnt care about the war itself just means I go afk until it's dropped.

Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#11 - 2017-06-01 15:29:28 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


This has been bantered about from the beginning.

The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.

The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.

I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.


The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance.

I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked.

Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on.

Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play!


Actually you don't know ****.

You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue.

You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic.


Keep showing yourself buddy.

mwah
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2017-06-01 15:34:09 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.

Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.

I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.

Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.


This has been bantered about from the beginning.

The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.

The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.

I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.


The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance.

I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked.

Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on.

Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play!


Actually you don't know ****.

You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue.

You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic.


Keep showing yourself buddy.

mwah


what? seriously, have no idea what you are on about.

Seriously, come on and post with your main, and quite being a little SJW *****.

Because now I see why you are being war dec'd,
Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#13 - 2017-06-01 15:45:06 UTC
Quote:


what? seriously, have no idea what you are on about.

Seriously, come on and post with your main, and quite being a little SJW *****.

Because now I see why you are being war dec'd,
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Start docking mate -> you've got a neut in LEK
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-06-01 15:49:04 UTC
Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.

Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.



DMC
Pix Severus
Empty You
#15 - 2017-06-01 15:49:08 UTC
The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.

In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.

A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.

It will never happen though, and it's a shame.

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Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#16 - 2017-06-01 16:00:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.

Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.



DMC


I don't want to do that, despite contrary to other posts in the thread i am not whinging against warring. I want the war dec mechanic to be
a. appealing
b. create great gamplay
c. to make it possible for others to war

I do not see what makes warring in the current mechanic engaging, its turned into alliances blanket deccing corps andhigh sec camping hubs. Not exactly the fight for supremacy the game is about, instead its lazy game play.
Hilti Enaka
Assisted Homicide
#17 - 2017-06-01 16:03:44 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.

In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.

A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.

It will never happen though, and it's a shame.


Or that's what the fee for the war dec covers. Ability to add corp members to watch list and as soon as the war dec is over they are removed from the watch list.

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#18 - 2017-06-01 16:05:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.

Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.



DMC

CCP have on the Known and declared exploits page
Quote:

Constant War Declarations

War Declarations are a risk that every player corporation has to face and they are under no circumstances considered harassment. Wars in general can be completely avoided by remaining in an NPC corporation.


Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#19 - 2017-06-01 16:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.

In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.

A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.

It will never happen though, and it's a shame.


Or that's what the fee for the war dec covers. Ability to add corp members to watch list and as soon as the war dec is over they are removed from the watch list.


Id rather something like filterable map-stats, so you can actually use the damn thing as a tool in empire.

edit: spelling is hard, harder when you're stupidStraight
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2017-06-01 16:25:53 UTC
The war dec mechanic needs work.

But here's the thing. It's a tricky thing to balance. It needs to be reasonably fair to all sides. And in a game full of alts, there are a lot of parameters and possible exploits to take in to consideration.

I'm willing to cut CCP some slack on this. Let them take their time and get it right unlike the quick and dirty solutions they're so well known for in the past. As long as they're working on it, I'm good.

They are working on it, right?

Mr Epeen Cool
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