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Which cruiser should i pick?
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Gamal Nor
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-05-31 12:05:04 UTC
Hello! Please help me. I plan to return to game as alpha and to do factional warfare. I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I want a cruiser which is able to kill or fight the above ship classes with good chances to win. I think the vexor could be a good choice, but not what about the others?

Can a Stabber be fitted to kill frigates but in the same time be a threat to other cruisers? Caracal?

It's important for me, because i need to pick the right empire to start the game with, cause alphas can't fly other factions' ships.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-05-31 12:25:14 UTC
all 4 empires have some decent cruisers, worry less about "what is the best hull" because frankly as an alpha its going to be your personal skill that will have a much greater impact on the outcome of a fight. that being said, i've been hearing quite a lot of rumbling about RLML Caracals being OP. so maybe look at caldari. (I've also been hearing that RLML changes are coming quite soon so it might be a bit late for that bandwagon)
Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#3 - 2017-05-31 14:03:47 UTC
If you are an Alpha, you will be restricted to Amarr ships. Alpha characters are restricted to the ships from the "race" they started the game as. Your character is Amarr, as an Alpha you will only be able to fly Amarr combat ships. If you want to use combat ships from other empires, you must pay to become Omega.

Amarr has two reasonable cruisers. Maller and Omen. Both cruisers use laser turrets. Maller has a bonus for damage resistance which improves as you train up skills for Amarr cruisers. Omen has bonuses that increase the damage of it's lasers. At the same skill level, Omen will do more damage but resist damage less, Maller will do less damage but resist damage more. Omen can also carry more drones than Maller so that gives Omen even more damage than a Maller.

If I wanted a ship with the most dps and I can only choose Maller or Omen, I would choose Omen.

A third choice for an Amarr cruiser is the Arbitrator. This is a ship specialised for carrying and using drones. The weapon options for the ship are not so good, four weapon slots, only two slots can be used for lasers, only two slots can be used for missiles. It has bonuses for EWAR, particularly weapon disruption, but the ship depends on drones for it's dps. This could be a very useful ship in a small group, but not so good for solo PVP.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#4 - 2017-05-31 16:00:33 UTC
Gamal Nor wrote:
I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.


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Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-05-31 16:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
Gamal Nor wrote:
Hello! Please help me. I plan to return to game as alpha and to do factional warfare. I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I want a cruiser which is able to kill or fight the above ship classes with good chances to win. I think the vexor could be a good choice, but not what about the others?

Can a Stabber be fitted to kill frigates but in the same time be a threat to other cruisers? Caracal?

It's important for me, because i need to pick the right empire to start the game with, cause alphas can't fly other factions' ships.


Stabber. fit 220 auto cannons. point, web. Frigate killer and fast. Once you land on a "cruiser" or bigger, keep your transversal up and grind them to death.

[Stabber, T1 fun]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]
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Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior II x5


Not knowing your skill level, but I can get a 323 with drones. Also the two empty hi-slots you can add a salvager and tractor beam.......
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2017-05-31 16:14:11 UTC
If you plan on only flying Alpha, just make a character for each faction and see which you like using best. It's not like it will cost you anything to make four new accts than if you make one.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#7 - 2017-06-01 03:11:28 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Gamal Nor wrote:
Hello! Please help me. I plan to return to game as alpha and to do factional warfare. I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I want a cruiser which is able to kill or fight the above ship classes with good chances to win. I think the vexor could be a good choice, but not what about the others?

Can a Stabber be fitted to kill frigates but in the same time be a threat to other cruisers? Caracal?

It's important for me, because i need to pick the right empire to start the game with, cause alphas can't fly other factions' ships.


Stabber. fit 220 auto cannons. point, web. Frigate killer and fast. Once you land on a "cruiser" or bigger, keep your transversal up and grind them to death.

[Stabber, T1 fun]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior II x5


Not knowing your skill level, but I can get a 323 with drones. Also the two empty hi-slots you can add a salvager and tractor beam.......


Maybe a pair of RLMLs. You seem to have pretty a lot of fitting resources left. And dont forget to stagger your guns so that they can be heated longer.
Valkin Mordirc
#8 - 2017-06-01 07:05:30 UTC
A RLML Caracal would be ideally best for killing frigates.

However nobody in their right mind would engage a Caracal in a frigate.

Depending on your skill set try a Moa or a thorax and try to catch frigates in web range and keep your transversal low and you should shred them.


Also if you want something to fight frigates with a hecate is a good choice as well. Just don't engage anything above your ship class.
#DeleteTheWeak
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-06-01 09:27:37 UTC
Gamal Nor wrote:
Hello! Please help me. I plan to return to game as alpha and to do factional warfare. I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I want a cruiser which is able to kill or fight the above ship classes with good chances to win. I think the vexor could be a good choice, but not what about the others?

Can a Stabber be fitted to kill frigates but in the same time be a threat to other cruisers? Caracal?

It's important for me, because i need to pick the right empire to start the game with, cause alphas can't fly other factions' ships.




Try a Vexor. Allows for more flexible fitting than a Caracal and can take on all the ships from its class and even above.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-06-01 09:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Gamal Nor wrote:
Hello! Please help me. I plan to return to game as alpha and to do factional warfare. I know that there is no "ultimate", "best" ship in the game.

Please tell me which T1 (not navy) cruiser is the better for killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I want a cruiser which is able to kill or fight the above ship classes with good chances to win. I think the vexor could be a good choice, but not what about the others?

Can a Stabber be fitted to kill frigates but in the same time be a threat to other cruisers? Caracal?

It's important for me, because i need to pick the right empire to start the game with, cause alphas can't fly other factions' ships.


If you want a very good and versatile cruiser that can take on just about any kind of situation and is very, very good at killing frigates, destroyers and cruisers, that isn't a navy cruiser or a pirate cruiser, you are looking for the Vexor.

Stabber can be fitted to kill frigates but that's more or less about it. The Stabber is terrible at matching against another cruiser. Falloff mechanics with medium AC is terrible, and as such, the Stabber will do poorly at kiting range against another cruiser. The Stabber also has no tracking bonus and will have a hard time tracking anything that isn't a Caldari cruiser at close range. The Stabber also has that awkward 4 med/4 lows, which makes it a poor shield tanker and a poor armour tanker as well. Then there's also the issue of fittings, which means that you are going to have a hard time fitting medium Artillery on this ship for good damage at range, and you will also have a hard time fitting two medium neuts/1 med 1 small on it to take on another cruiser at close range without compromising something else that is important (e.g. tank).

The Stabber must not be treated as a cruiser. Instead, it should be treated as an oversized frigate. Avoid other cruisers as much as you can, and murder every tackler that tries to catch you, though a Caracal (with Rapid Light Missile Launchers) or an Omen (Optimal with pulse laser and scorch hitting 20km, though alpha pilots do not get this option) will probably do this much better.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#11 - 2017-06-01 15:33:40 UTC
Whichever one is shaped the most phallic, i mean, its as good a reason as any to choose :P