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#21 - 2017-05-30 17:37:48 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Remind me, what happened the last time this happened?

It strikes me that when the Gallente systems were taken by the Caldari, there was quite the hooh-hah with planets being sold left right and centre, And when the reverse occurred it was the catalyst for the recapture of Caldari Prime.

But when it happened in the Amarr/Minmatar zone, I don't recall seeing anything particularly significant happening.


To be fair, I think it was the novelty of the thing that kicked all that off, Valerie - and the long term consequences proved to be based entirely outside of the warzone, itself, in both cases. These days I would be very surprised if one side or the other seizing control of the warzone led to anything - I understand that a shiny medal is unlikely to even result, these days.

Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#22 - 2017-05-30 23:24:34 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation...

We already see many more participants using the opportunity to make a profit as the motivation to switch sides regularly. I doubt a medal will be more enticing.

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#23 - 2017-05-30 23:37:51 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation...

We already see many more participants using the opportunity to make a profit as the motivation to switch sides regularly. I doubt a medal will be more enticing.

Well said. That and the large number of warp core stabs...
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2017-05-30 23:50:42 UTC
There were several campaigns launched involving the entire Minmatar militia in focusing on the final goals at hand:

Operation Backyard
Burn Huola
Operation Lamaa

These helped to pave the way ahead for the final systems involved - Siege Green left at a point during our Operation Huola focus.

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#25 - 2017-05-31 00:03:15 UTC
Those campaigns, especially Houla, ran very smoothly from my point of view. There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA? Where were other groups who jumped in in the end last time? PIE was basically held up in Arzad for the latter half of this push it seemed. As you put, Siege Green moved on. Plenty to be proud of, not a lot to defend the systems it seemed. Pirates, while many being friendly to the 24IC aren't able to fight all their battles. Thats been proven I guess?
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#26 - 2017-05-31 00:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
PIEs pilots did extraordinarily. Especially some of our newer recruits who put their effort in and held Arzad for weeks against nearly constant superior numbers.

But eventually numbers won out, though I am quite pleased to say that we continued to cause Matari casualties right up until the end despite insurmountable odds. Our Tormentors, Punishers, and Coercers proved more than a match for Matari Firetails, Comets, and Thrashers.

Still the Matari kept coming despite their losses, and their persistence and willingness to keep up the pressure was remarkable.

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#27 - 2017-05-31 00:42:56 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
PIEs pilots did extraordinarily. Especially some of our newer recruits who put their effort in and held Arzad for weeks against nearly constant superior numbers.

But eventually numbers won out, though I am quite pleased to say that it we continued to cause Matari casualties right up until the end despite insurmountable odds. Our Tormentors, Punishers, and Coercers proved more than a match for Matari Firetails, Comets, and Thrashers.

Still the Matari kept coming despite their losses, and their persistence and willingness to keep up the pressure was remarkable.


I have to agree with that. I found myself questioning my own tactics fighting some of your newer recruits than your old guard rather frequently. Whether it was Sillyak a few days ago or a few others in the past week I'm drawing a blank on specific names, A lot of the fights with your newer faces have been interesting.
Two Maidens One Chalice
#28 - 2017-05-31 08:54:59 UTC
Obligatory yawn.

Congratulations on a meta play I guess. The real issue is that what happened to us is about to happen to you. No not the warzone loss, the complete atrophy of your factions player engagement where your only contribution is to provide easy picking content for pirates.
Mercenary Coalition
#29 - 2017-05-31 09:49:04 UTC
Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out?
Electus Matari
#30 - 2017-05-31 09:53:51 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA?

CVA is in Providence, fighting for Providence.

As they, frankly, should be.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#31 - 2017-05-31 11:42:43 UTC
They are definitely rather busy on their primary front. My prayers are with them against the barbarians.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#32 - 2017-05-31 11:46:31 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out?


Poorly.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Mercenary Coalition
#33 - 2017-05-31 12:01:59 UTC
Well that was a given, but there's entertainment value to be had you know?
#34 - 2017-05-31 12:45:41 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA?

CVA is in Providence, fighting for Providence.

As they, frankly, should be.

True, I'm pretty sure they have more on their table than they did last time as well.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#35 - 2017-05-31 16:23:57 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Well that was a given, but there's entertainment value to be had you know?


Well, I believe his attack on PIE involved all of two destroyer fights and a frigate engagement. We won the destroyer fights and lost the frigate engagement.

So, much ado about nothing?

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Ushra'Khan
#36 - 2017-05-31 17:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hauke Martensen
edeity wrote:
Obligatory yawn.

Congratulations on a meta play I guess. The real issue is that what happened to us is about to happen to you. No not the warzone loss, the complete atrophy of your factions player engagement where your only contribution is to provide easy picking content for pirates.


Actually it did already happen to us some 21/2 years ago. The bleeding of veteran alliances, corps and capsuleers we suffered then was one of the main factors enabling your side to take the warzone a bit later.

Fortunately we developed a core of very dedicated capsuleers then, which enabled us to recover over time and I believe we should do quite nicely this time, as long as leadership doesn't fumble badly.

....which reminds me...

*vanishes back into back into his little messy office*
Jayai Syndicate
#37 - 2017-05-31 17:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out?

Satisfactory or not will depend solely on person's perspective, certain entities are not part of militia any longer so there is that.
Caldari State
#38 - 2017-06-04 04:32:46 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
That sounds a lot like abandoning your posts to let the Gallente retake your space, Diana. Surely once you take it, you have to hold it, no?

I am not going to waste my time on casting pearls before swines.
They could tell you basics about tactics and strategy in State War Academy, however.... I really doubt they would admit there someone so ungifted.

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#39 - 2017-06-04 07:30:38 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Remind me, what happened the last time this happened?

It strikes me that when the Gallente systems were taken by the Caldari, there was quite the hooh-hah with planets being sold left right and centre, And when the reverse occurred it was the catalyst for the recapture of Caldari Prime.

But when it happened in the Amarr/Minmatar zone, I don't recall seeing anything particularly significant happening.


To know the reason of this, one has to keep in mind that the Caldari/Gallente conflict is different to the Amarr/Minmatar conflict, both in reason as in objectives.

Originally, the Caldari/Gallente conflict was a more classic military campaign, with goals to take & hold Gallente worlds, while the Gallente defended themselves from this unusual Caldari aggression.
The Caldari managed to complete this objective, controlling the entirety of the Caldari/Gallente warzone for a good time, with the take & hold and the subsequent auction of Intaki Prime as the largest headline, among other auctions. (The Intaki Prime auction was won by Ishukone

When the Gallente counter-attack began, their objective was clear as well, cut off all the resources from the warzone in order to be able to launch a successful attack on Caldari Prime & remove the threat that was the Caldari Titan in the shared homesystem.

Both sides now completed their objectives & the Caldari/Gallente war now became more a conflict on resources & border conflicts.


The Amarr/Minmatar conflict on the other hand focuses less on territory & planets, but more on a clash of cultures that cannot coexist. The Minmatar wage war to free their kin still enslaved by the Empire, while the Amarr push aggressively to extend the border buffer to provide enhanced security for the Empire & it's people.
No specific worlds to liberate, no direct threats to be quelled. At most there's certain symbolic places to take & hold, either because they are sacred ground for the Amarr or hold significance to the Matari tribes.

So when either side takes complete control in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, it's not likely anything major will happen by the ruling goàverments. What will likely happen however is that the victorious side will grow bold & launches raiding parties/punishment expeditions into the other nation to press on/signify their victory.
This did happen before, mainly under capsuleer authorites however.

So in this particular case? Expect Minmatar raiding parties into deep parts of the Empire once more, in an attempt to liberate Minmatar slaves held there.

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#40 - 2017-06-04 10:16:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
That sounds a lot like abandoning your posts to let the Gallente retake your space, Diana. Surely once you take it, you have to hold it, no?

I am not going to waste my time on casting pearls before swines.
They could tell you basics about tactics and strategy in State War Academy, however.... I really doubt they would admit there someone so ungifted.


Perhaps you yourself has to attend the State War Academy, because last I checked, every Tactics and Strategy Studies in just about any military academy discusses the importance of holding ground, the strategic and logistical considerations in deciding on which areas to hold and fortify and the various tactics to hold ground.

If you seriously think that you can just capture a territory and call it a day, I am going to seriously wonder exactly where the heck did you even study strategy and tactics.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

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