Crime & Punishment

I looked at those numbers and weirdly enough, a gank attempt is probably one of the few situations where a flight of ECM drones would be better than hobs. You'd have up to 50% chance of removing one catalyst from the gank with ECM drones but a flight of hobs, even bonused ones wouldn't down a catalyst before it was too late, anyway.

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It's pretty predictable, really. If they're equipped to take down a procurer, they're equipped to take down an ECM fit procurer.

I've run the maths on this and it's actually much worse than I had thought.

For a catalyst-toting ganker, a best-case scenario would be roughly 700 dps within a 24 second window, granting about 16,800 damage.

Alessienne's T2 ECM fit, with perfect skills, boasts <40kEHP versus the kin/therm damage profile of a standard gankalyst. That fit, versus a catalyst with zero boosts from skills or modules, has a 30% chance to land a successful jam per module, which means an average of 1.2 jams per gank. The odds of all four ECM modules each jamming out a ganker at the same time is less than 1%.

So, worst case scenario: an ECM fit will die to as few as 3 (highly skilled) catalysts. Best, 7 gankers would be needed.

What about a standard shield fit? A totally AFK shield-fit procurer sports over 100kEHP against the kin/therm damage profile while completely AFK. That fit guarantees the need for at least 6, preferably 7 gankers. If you're ATK and get in an overheat as the gank fleet warps in, that tank rockets to 121kEHP, requiring 8 gankers.

So, there ya have it. Worst case scenario: An AFK shield procurer requires 6, preferably 7 gankers versus an AFK/unlucky ECM procurer that requires only 3. Best case scenario: ATK shield procurer requires 8 gankers, guaranteed to survive if they bring 7, versus ECM/lucky procurer against 7 gankers with only a 1% chance of survival if they bring 6.

That's right, an AFK procurer in a worst case scenario is stronger than a lucky ATK ECM procurer. Who knew? Oh wait, I did - as did just about any other competent pilot.

In higher security space, including CONCORD standard spawn (-6 second response delay), the scenarios only favour the procurer even more.

Like I said, the only time you can excuse the ECM fit is while mining outside hisec and to be fair, there are better ways to deal with hostiles in those environments.

Oh, and the shield procurer is much easier to fit, requiring no coprocessors and gets to benefit from a slightly higher mining yield, too.

calm down ganker

You're operating under the assumption that CODE agents gank in fleets. Unless there's a really big target like a freighter involved, they usually don't. The vast majority of my ganking experiences have involved no more than one or two ships, regardless of system security. On the rare occasion where a ganker is cunning enough to bring friends or set up a group gate camp, yes, it does become too much for the ECM proc to handle.

But in most cases, the ECM proc can blast interference at two ships at once,

giving a greater change of a hit. In the event that the cycles fail, the shield tank is there to buy some time until the cycles succeed.

Exactly. Gankers seldom go for Procurers precisely because they require large numbers of people to kill. If you need to fend off a large fleet, a shield fit does a better job than the ECM fit, hence my post.



One. In most cases it'll drop one. 1.2, to be precise (based on 30% jam possibility).


Ganks take at most, 24 seconds. ECM cycles are 20 seconds. You won't get another cycle.