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#41 - 2017-05-19 14:42:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
No "EVE IS DYING", but I think this may be the worst summer yet for EVE, and the tipping point towards an accelerated decline in activity.
I tend to play less, if at all, during the summer. That coupled with the PLEX increase has led me to test out this claimed ghost training.

I have four Omegas that I'm going to let lapse in the next few weeks with training queues between 20 days and nearly a year. But I'll check in at the end of Aug and see what PLEX has stabilized at. I'll keep my two builders in Omega but I rarely log them in as they're primarily building capitals and only need to looked at once or twice a month.

So yeah. No "EVE Is Dying", but for me anyway, EVE is taking a back burner for a while.

Mr Epeen Cool
ChaosTheory.
#42 - 2017-05-19 15:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Steijn wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
No I said this week's ago that prices would skyrocket.
Just wait for them to reach 4mil per Plex.

Theyre making it impossible for newer characters to Plex.
There should have been a 1b ceiling implemented to prevent this.


Bollocks.


which part is bollocks?


He can speak for himself, but for me it's the whole idea of an artificial ceiling. PLEX should cost what people in game will pay for it, because EVE has a PLAYER RUN economy and that should not change because you want cheap PLEX to keep from hainvg to spend the 50 cents USD per day it takes to play EVE.

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Everytime Plex changes you get these crazy examples of how 'off' and 'entitled' some EVE players are. You got people sitting on hundreds of billions of isk and assets loudly proclaiming that they are cutting back on EVE because of the price of plex, you get freak outs all over the place, "the plex is too damn high" memes on reddit, and all of this over an ingame item that right now costs 46 million isk per day per account

One of my characters flying an Ishtar and doing anomalies makes 60 mil isk in an hour of me barely watching the screen. A Carrier in null take s more work but makes money 3+ times faster than that ishtar. If you live in high sec and get set up right, following this burner mission guide will let you buy 720 hours (one month) of game time in exchange for 7.2 hours of game play.

Thats right, 1% of a month for a full month of video game...because you're too cheap to spend 50 real life cents per day (the actual cost of EVE online at it's most expensive month by month rate) for said video game. Hell, 46 mil isk per day is like 2 or 3 lvl 4 missions and then selling the lp for something cheap like 500 isk per LP...

You guys telling me that 2 or 3 lvl 4 missions (5-15 minutes if you learn how to blitz) a day is somehow a bridge too far for 24 hours worth of game time?

I think some folks need to reexamine their priorities and their perspectives, because something in there is screwed up if plex prices are bothering you.
#43 - 2017-05-19 15:19:37 UTC
The advantage of the new system is that ccp can easily reduce plex cost for omega time when the price goes out of controll.
Wouldnt be surprised when omega time will cost 300 plex instead of 500 in some time

i'm REALY miss the old stuff. 

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Amarr Empire
#44 - 2017-05-19 15:30:43 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Caveat: If NS recruits really hard, some of that attrition may be retained as players potentially find the means to PLEX via NS activity/income, but this will be at most some few %.

I strongly encourage everyone to consider moving into NS or established WH corps this summer.
Its "that time" now to make the move.

HS/LS and low WH content income is not going to be adequate to PLEX without a great deal of activity ingame earning.
The isk is in NS and WHs, and to an extent, LS if you play hard.


Sending players in to null to grind isk wont help with the retention, they wil quit as soon as they realise that its a crappy job.
I also strongly disagree with your claim that lowsex cant provide enough income for a normal healthy lifestile.


i agrree with both points. If u have many characteres, high sec is the option for some, and not grind more in nul..

All character bazaar done. Finally 39 pilot and 3 can be killed later. This account will be used only for forum interaction, fly safe.

Brothers of Tangra
#45 - 2017-05-19 16:27:25 UTC
Wasn't PLEX consumption the natural end point of rorq mining to build a super and then ratting in your super? 300m/hr and the only thing ratters do is buy PLEX and deadspace/officer equipment.
#46 - 2017-05-19 16:43:11 UTC
And the price will go higher and higher and higher, because they will get more and more and more ISK, and they will buy more and more and more PLEX, that will cost more and more and more ISK.

Untill price willl level out on a ridiculous level that will basically make people watch it and tell: what did I become? What happened to my life? Why?
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2017-05-19 16:51:52 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
And the price will go higher and higher and higher, because they will get more and more and more ISK, and they will buy more and more and more PLEX, that will cost more and more and more ISK.

Untill price willl level out on a ridiculous level that will basically make people watch it and tell: what did I become? What happened to my life? Why?


Your past comment about null and hi sec make me think myself in shrink to six accounts, are the only ones i need in high sec.

All character bazaar done. Finally 39 pilot and 3 can be killed later. This account will be used only for forum interaction, fly safe.

Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2017-05-19 17:08:50 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
No I said this week's ago that prices would skyrocket.
Just wait for them to reach 4mil per Plex.

Theyre making it impossible for newer characters to Plex.
There should have been a 1b ceiling implemented to prevent this.


Roll

PLEX for new players are so that they can acquire ISK without the horrible grind, not to play for "free".

Why is it every EVE player gets opportunity cost when it comes to "I mine my own minerals" but totally fail in applying that logic everywhere else?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2017-05-19 17:10:37 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm quite enjoying it even though it's making my in game expenses go up (it now costs 6 bil a month to plex my 4 accounts, 200 mil a day). I'm enjoying it because of all the crying that's coming from the entitled fools who don't understand that plex is a luxury and that no one (including CCP) owes anyone cheap plex.


Luxury? No.
But a necessity.
I dont expect plex to be cheap (when i say cheap i mean around 600 mil) but im not paying 1.5 bil even though i can afford way more than that.
Get off your high horse, he is tired let him rest.


Shocked

PLEX as a necessity yet you refuse to buy one. Whatever.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

#50 - 2017-05-19 17:16:46 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Nah, i'll just stop playing for 12 months, lets see what happens in 1 year.
if it's still more than 2.5mil i'll stop playing forever.

Evil

Well then, you might as well quit now if that's going to be your redline...because the price of PLEX is not going to go in a downward direction (has it ever over time?)
I'd love to have your stuff since you won't be needing it.


Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2017-05-19 17:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Sky Marshal wrote:
Well, Plex are now sold by CCP by packs of 110/240/440 (with 0/20/60 more offered for the moment). A player who want to add 30 days in his account needs 500 of them. 440, it is less than before (1 Plex = 30 days) but for the same price.

So CCP stealthy raised the price, and the market is correcting itself. There isn't any "player driven market" in this situation, CCP is the responsible of that.

It was obvious it would be going up if the real price is going up too. Couldn't do anything else. It is a dangerous move for CCP, I doubt that an higher price in ISK won't "cost" some players.


CCP is the supplier....players are the consumers--i.e. the demand side. You cannot have a market without both sides. So it is driven by both...but that aside, you are largely correct. The previous $ to ISK conversion was around 62,531,265.6. You need to buy 4.545454 of the 110 PLEX Packs at $4.99 which translates out to $22.68 which when we convert it back to ISK works out to roughly 1,418,322,797.76 ISK.

I have never understood the "PLEX are too expensive I'm quitting!" Response. The cheapest way to to pay for an account is to buy a year in advance where the costs is something like $11/month. So people grind for hours on end so that they can pay $19.99/month before the change and now $21-23/month after the change. I could see it if you really like grinding, but otherwise yet another failure in applying the notion of opportunity cost. When you buy a PLEX you are converting the time you spend playing the game and earning ISK into a PLEX. If you have a ton of ISK or have a substantial income stream I can see buying a PLEX. But active grinding for hours on end? Even if you can make 300 million ISK/hour you'll have to spend 4 2/3rd to 5 hours grinding. Look at your after tax take home pay on an hourly basis. If it is more than $4.2 or unless you love that grinding....you're kinda mining your own minerals.

Edit: And PLEX have had the same price since their introduction. That is over time $19.99 has become cheaper due to inflation. A bump in the price is not totally outrageous, IMO. In fact, a quick check with the BLS inflation calculator $19.99 from November 2008 converted into today's dollars (i.e. adjusting for inflation) we get a price of $23.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2017-05-19 17:36:27 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
No I said this week's ago that prices would skyrocket.
Just wait for them to reach 4mil per Plex.

Theyre making it impossible for newer characters to Plex.
There should have been a 1b ceiling implemented to prevent this.


Yes, because not having any PLEX is sooo much better. Roll

Please don't go full idiot.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2017-05-19 17:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Loki Yamaguchi wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Plex is a way for people with enough in game wealth to trade that wealth to others (usually people who are time poor or who hate in game wealth generating activities) in a mutually beneficial way.


PLEX for most is a goal; to play for free.


Yes, I stopped reading there. Paying with PLEX is not playing for free, especially if you have to grind. Back up stream there is a guy who is going to trade an entire Saturday so he can buy enough PLEX for 2 months. Now maybe that is his idea of a good Saturday, but chances are he makes enough in 1 hour of work to pay for both months if he used a subscription at the yearly level. That way he'd have those 2 months paid for AND he could have his Saturday back to do some other stuff too.

The only way to play the game for free is to go ALPHA. Other than that you are paying. Either in cash or via your time.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

#54 - 2017-05-19 17:53:12 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Loki Yamaguchi wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Plex is a way for people with enough in game wealth to trade that wealth to others (usually people who are time poor or who hate in game wealth generating activities) in a mutually beneficial way.


PLEX for most is a goal; to play for free.


Yes, I stopped reading there. Paying with PLEX is not playing for free, especially if you have to grind. Back up stream there is a guy who is going to trade an entire Saturday so he can buy enough PLEX for 2 months. Now maybe that is his idea of a good Saturday, but chances are he makes enough in 1 hour of work to pay for both months if he used a subscription at the yearly level. That way he'd have those 2 months paid for AND he could have his Saturday back to do some other stuff too.

The only way to play the game for free is to go ALPHA. Other than that you are paying. Either in cash or via your time.
I certainly agree that paying with PLEX is not playing for free.

But I'm of two minds about comparing paying with grinding in real life or paying with grinding in game. It really depends on how much you enjoy whatever it is you do to collect that ISK. For instance, I'd rather run missions or whatever for a day than pull an extra shift shoveling **** at the zoo.

On the other hand, I'd rather work a few hours overtime giving erotic massages than sitting in an ice belt spamming d-scan for two solid days.

I guess what I'm saying is it's not such a good comparison when it's so situational. You can't really generalize.

Mr Epeen Cool
#55 - 2017-05-19 18:09:16 UTC
Erotic massages at the Zoo what? I maybe should train reading comp past 1.


ChaosTheory.
#56 - 2017-05-19 18:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
I don't have multiple in game income streams, I enjoy ratting and doing complexes. Sometimes after plexing I might have like 2-300 mil in my wallet, or less. People think I'm rich but the in game value thing says my 5 accounts amount to less than 25 billion isk after 10 years of playing (because I spend isk like its going out of style and i blow up a lot).

The difference between me and folks like me and the people who lose their damn minds every time something happens with plex is that I KNOW plex is a luxury and act accordingly. I know it's only going to go up while my ratting income stays the same (or declines like with DED loot)

Because I know plex is unstable and a luxury I don't own more accounts than I could pay for with real life cash if something happens to PLEX. Right at the moment I can plop down the 60 bucks it would take to keep my accounts in Omega, and if something happened where I could not do that, regardless of the cost of plex I'd start shedding accounts. That's how i personally do it and I don't expect anyone else to, but it's damn stupid to depend on plex when you know it's not stable.

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There is , of course, a real life correlation that comes to mind. 22 years ago I worked at a County Jail. The jail didn't have enough jailers, so there was plenty of overtime. Too much in fact. Jailers were working doubles (16 hours) and even TRIPLES (24 hours) before the overtime policy changed due to one jailer falling dead from a heart attack he suffered while working his 2nd triple in one week.

In the orientation class the instructor said "there will be lots of overtime, but never forget that OT is a luxury, it's extra money, it lets you pay off bills faster and maybe pay for a better vacation than what you had last year. But it is not your salary, you are not entitled to it, the County can come in at any moment and cut it off, and it's automatically gets cut off if you take sick leave or come under investigation for something. Do not ever let yourself become dependent on it."

Most people listened. But some didn't. Some used it to buy nice cars, big ass trucks (it's Texas of course), fancy things, jewelry, even a bigger house than what they could normally afford...

...Then OF COURSE the County decided it was spending too much money and hired more jailers since that is less expensive than overtime. And it all came crashing down. Within a couple months the department had to station a Deputy at the employee parking lot to keep all the repo trucks out. People lost their nice homes they should never have bought. And fights broke out between veteran jailers and recruit jailers, because of course it was the new recruits' fault the vet jailers grew dependent on overtime they were told to not become dependent on. The department's employee mental health section got swamped by people in crisis because they couldn't pay their bills and/or their significant other was threatening to leave with the kids (or worse, with the big ass truck).

That taught me a lesson: don't live above my means, and don't depend on a luxury something that can go away or change at a moments notice for essential needs.

Apply that to EVE and plex and I bet some of yall will be less upset the next time the plex prices change.
ChaosTheory.
#57 - 2017-05-19 18:32:30 UTC
Oh, and just a flashback, if anyone else thinks people complaining about the cost of plex and game time etc is silly, well I remember the time that this actually happened hereLol
#58 - 2017-05-19 18:59:45 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Erotic massages at the Zoo what? I maybe should train reading comp past 1.



This thread just took an interesting turn...

Dum Spiro Spero

#59 - 2017-05-19 19:16:06 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Erotic massages at the Zoo what? I maybe should train reading comp past 1.




Send me Isk ingame and I will make this dream a reality

1 bil an hour for the best wettest sloppiest erotic zoo massage of your lifetime!!!!!

I will even double and if your really lucky quadruple that isk!!!!!!

Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . .

#60 - 2017-05-19 19:21:26 UTC
Tricia Killnu wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Erotic massages at the Zoo what? I maybe should train reading comp past 1.




Send me Isk ingame and I will make this dream a reality

1 bil an hour for the best wettest sloppiest erotic zoo massage of your lifetime!!!!!

I will even double and if your really lucky quadruple that isk!!!!!!

SUH-WEET! It's my lucky day! I'm gonna be spacerich and in furry bliss! I...I love you.



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