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Dig Deeper: PLEX is the reason for the highsec v nullsec Drama

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Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-01-23 18:06:23 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Vallek Arkonnis wrote:


You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.


And you are talking out of your ass.
The risk involved in solo PvE nullsec is offset by:

- being in a gimped cloaky / ECCM etc. ship, having to GTFO every time a neutral enters a system.

- having a number of corpies camp the gate(s) and WH entrances to the system. Oh wait, that's not really "solo", isn't it?


You're right, but now you'd have a fleet and could go do nullsec Incursions over anomalies and ratting for even more isk. Neat how that works, huh?

My point still stands; you can do high paying anomalies and ratting solo. Any incursion requires a fleet. Any MMO will favor multiplayer activities over solo activities. From the multitude of Incursion whine threads, it seems that the risk in nullsec seems to change depending on the argument; it's either barren because everyone has left in which case there's little risk, or there are roamers everywhere which make it difficult to do any PvE content, thus negating the complaint that nullsec PvP is barren. Which is it? Nerfing PvE content to move PvEers to nullsec does not create more PvPers.

l33t PvPer: I want to stomp bears
Isk Hoarding Carebear: I want to make isk

Carebear makes isk in hisec Incursions

PvPer: CCP should nerf hisec Incursions so carebears move to nullsec where I can stomp them.

PvPer stomps the carebear

Carebear: ow that hurts, I want to make isk.

Carebear moves back to hisec to run lvl 4 missions

PvPer: I want to stomp bears. CCP should nerf hisec missions so they move to nullsec where I can stomp them.

Sound familiar?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#82 - 2012-01-23 18:34:09 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:


You're right, but now you'd have a fleet and could go do nullsec Incursions over anomalies and ratting for even more isk. Neat how that works, huh?

My point still stands; you can do high paying anomalies and ratting solo. Any incursion requires a fleet. Any MMO will favor multiplayer activities over solo activities.


Flawed premise, it's not how it works.

Alliances don't reimburse ratting / PvE ships therefore you and your 0.0 buddies are on your own wallet.

You won't setup a 3-5B pimp ship for 0.0 (much less find a whole group willing to do the same) because rumors circulate very easily and so do roams thru WHs. You WILL do a couple of incursions and then get cynoed / blobbed / neuted whatever to death.

Heck even just moving a pimp hull and mods from hi sec over there is not a joke. Even just moving over there faction / whatever mods, consummables / drones has 100 times the cost of hi sec.

Therefore the 0.0 seccers settle for T2 + whatever they ratted, fitted T1 ships. Therefore their efficiency is vastly inferior than if they did it in hi sec with pimp ships. Therefore the "on paper" better 0.0 money per hour is not really there. Therefore they JC out / log alts and just do it in hi sec.

Moreover, the risk is always there therefore they really do the incursion in haste and kill the MOM (like it should happen).

In hi sec all you have to do is to go Jita and buy at the best price.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#83 - 2012-01-23 20:08:43 UTC
Wot I Think wrote:
Why PLEX?

PLEX is one of those unique commodities that allows froobs to play EVE. Back before the world economy went down in flames, most people subscribed, and applied PLEX to increase wealth. A select amount of no life froobs could exploit local resources in a work to live arrangement. All was good.

Enter Incursions, 2b ISK per pilot per 24 hours if allowed to run unmolested and in highsec that is always allowed. The nullsec froob either quits eve or becomes a subber. Mostly they just quit. Post Incursion Null is a vacuum, if you can avoid the roaming hostiles you can earn 50 to 60m an hour ratting if you get a faction mod or two. But only an idiot would remain. Highsec incursions draw 130m+ an hour with no roaming gangs or dependance on drops.

In simple terms incursions killed nullsec, and forced hundreds of nullsec players to quit EVE. Incursions changed the f
population and gameplay of EVE. EVE was a game about the conquest of empires. EVE is now about instanced raids, and who can box the most pilots.

Risk v Reward is now just reward.

NullSec isn't mad about wallet balances, they are mad because they have lost true friends.



NULL SEC tears? Quick let me grab my bucket.... slurp... OK ribbing mode off:

1)Honestly the ISK numbers you quote only a Incursion BOT could make... & Incursion bots are impossible for multiple reasons.
2) PLEX price was inflated for reasons other then Incursions & the numbers really prove it if you look at the supply/demand availability... PLEX price inflated most likely due to speculation/Incarna rage
3) Many your friends did move outta null due to the anon nerf i'm guessing? That was a screw up none of the Incursion runners like myself liked ( made incursions too crowded )
4)Incursion fleets are fun I'd suggest you try it but with the current butt hurt drama I doubt you'll bew able to find a fleet easily since the BOSS sites are dieing so quikly again
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2012-01-23 20:13:14 UTC
Please use this thread for constructive feedback on Incursions, thank you.

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