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Orca Weird Half-Breed Ship and other Volumetric Queries

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Cismet
Hard-line Syndicate
Serrice Council.
#1 - 2017-05-16 22:22:54 UTC
Something confuses me about the Orca. It's clearly a terrific mining platform, and since the rebalance is a hellbeast of a ship for a sort of mobile base.

All of these things are great and really work in the game from what I've seen; the changes to the mining foreman role to actually include active participation in the mining fleet was a terrific change and long overdue.

The thing that confuses me with the orca is that it seems to be a weird cap/subcap hybrid thing. Points:

It requires Capital Ship Parts to build it in the BPO
It gets a huge jump fatigue reduction in line with BOPS and JF's
Even packed it won't fit in a jump freighter - it only packs down to some 500k m3

All of these point toward a capital ship but:

It doesn't require capital ship skills to fly
It doesn't have an in-built jump drive

Is there any particular reason why it's stuck somewhere in the middle? All of the sub-caps that I'm aware of can pack down and be transported in a freighter except the Orca, whereas moving the Orca around is a logistical nightmare as it sits smack in the middle. It's not a cap ship so no jump drive, and you can't pack it down to fit in a jump freighter. Ironically enough, you can pack down a station the size of a city (medium and large citadels) to easily go inside a Jump Freighter, but ships won't pack down that small. I guess the point I'm making is in light of the fact that a fortizar takes up a mere 80k m3, is it time to look at a pass on all ships volumes when packed?

I mean a single battleship takes up 50k m3 packed and transport ships are 20k m3 packed. Why is the orca SO much bigger than all the other subcap ships? Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-05-16 22:44:02 UTC
Cismet wrote:
Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?

Bag of holding.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#3 - 2017-05-16 22:51:41 UTC
All hauling ships, regardless of size, get a Fatigue reduction. So I think you're confusing how certain attributes relate to ships.

And I reckon you could fit one in a cargo-expanded freighter quite easily.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#4 - 2017-05-16 22:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Likely for specific reason not too dissimilar to the reasons some capitals are permitted in High Sec and some are not. Each oddity serves to strike a balance between making it capital-like in nature but without making it unnecessarily difficult for miners to use or hop into where it's viability shouldn't ask so much of the players intending to fly it. Technically, the Rorqual is intended to be the pure capital ship in regards to mining command and support platforms, but up until the Porpoise became a recent addition, the Orca was the only legitimate way to do offer the same role in High Sec. That's what impression I get anyways.

Also, yes, the jump fatigue buff isn't something exclusive of capitals. It's found on other non-capitals for good reason.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#5 - 2017-05-16 23:01:48 UTC
Orca used to be in the section of capital industrial ships until rebalance a couple of years ago. It was then moved to the group of the industrĂ­al command ships in the industrial ship section.

Definite sign that the Orca never really was a capital ship is the rig size. The Orca has always only had large rigs.

Remove standings and insurance.

Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-05-17 00:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Cismet wrote:
Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?

Bag of holding.

Dunks bag in unholy water

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Naedora
Righteous Choirboys
ChaosTheory.
#7 - 2017-05-17 01:53:36 UTC
Fatigue reduction is for using jump bridges
Cristl
#8 - 2017-05-17 17:32:29 UTC
CCP removed packaged volume some while ago, and I'd be unsurprised if they forgot to adjust values.

Orca's having a packaged volume 2400% of a DST, but less than 40% of a super is pretty weird, I'll agree.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2017-05-17 17:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Cismet wrote:
Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?

Magnets. [Nobody knows how they work.]

Nanites.

Planck field generator.

Flat-space technology

It is bigger on the inside.

It is smaller on the outside.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#10 - 2017-05-17 18:27:34 UTC
Orca is one of the most versatile ships in the game. The Eve University Orca Guide has been updated for Ascension https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Orca_Guide
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2017-05-17 19:41:20 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Cismet wrote:
Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?

Magnets. [Nobody knows how they work.]

Nanites.

Planck field generator.

Flat-space technology

It is bigger on the inside.

It is smaller on the outside.
The cargo handlers have stolen Gru's shrink ray.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
#12 - 2017-05-17 20:00:40 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Cismet wrote:
Hell why is a fortizar so small when packed?

Magnets. [Nobody knows how they work.]

Nanites.

Planck field generator.

Flat-space technology

It is bigger on the inside.

It is smaller on the outside.

Because of quantum.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Karaburan
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#13 - 2017-05-17 21:35:40 UTC
Why is a hummer M3 so big? same reason. because they can.