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Announcement: Achuran Missionary Citadel Operational

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#101 - 2017-05-16 23:24:46 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Oh, you mean, this exchange?


Yes, that's the one.

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#102 - 2017-05-16 23:31:54 UTC
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.
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#103 - 2017-05-16 23:33:09 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


It seems to me that your offer is a bit late, considering what we've all seen of his true intentions.

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#104 - 2017-05-16 23:38:21 UTC
That's a really cheap price Nauplius. You should at least offer a number of slaves with market value equal to the cost of the Citadel you hope to defend.
#105 - 2017-05-16 23:42:23 UTC
Julianni Avala wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
TomHorn wrote:

I'm sure if you release the slaves , all parties will agree to let your temple stand , as long as you agree to not hold and sacrifice slaves , in the temple in the Saisio system.

Lets try and come to some terms that are acceptable , contact me privately if you wish.


I suspect, sir, that even if I yielded up all my slaves, the many enemies of the Faith would still in their sin fume and rage against my Missionary Citadel preaching about the Red God so close to Saisio III.


Think about it Nauplius , if you have terms that would release the slaves into my custody , post them here.

Lets ask if the liberal extremists , Amarr loyalists , and Minmatar freedom fighters will agree to them.



Most interesting, as I could have sworn you just stated in local chat within Saiso that you were offering aid to Nauplius "with the filth, especially the Brutors". And that "you and your boys" had a lot of experience in "basment treatment".

Just what would you have planned for these freed slaves? And just why should anyone believe that you have anything but bad intentions in this situation?


They will be loaded on board "The Rights of Man" transported to the Peace and Order Station in Saisio system , handed over , to humanitarian or Minmatar organisation , agreed upon by the Liberal extremists , Amarr loyalists , and Minmatar freedom fighters.
#106 - 2017-05-16 23:47:29 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


This is reasonable and good starting point, for negotiations . Wouldn't it not be better to try and resolve this without the loss of any innocent civilians.
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#107 - 2017-05-16 23:53:05 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


TomHorn is nothing more then a Provist Terrorist. Try again.

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#108 - 2017-05-17 00:17:49 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


TomHorn is nothing more then a Provist Terrorist. Try again.


Back up John , you want to try and resolve this without the loss of any lives don't you?


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#109 - 2017-05-17 00:23:17 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I offer to surrender 1000 of the Saisio slaves to TomHorn in exchange for the cancellation of all war declarations.


Ah yes the dance begins a new.

I believe the removal of station and surrender of slaves follows under "unconditional"




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#110 - 2017-05-17 01:04:28 UTC
TomHorn wrote:

Back up John , you want to try and resolve this without the loss of any lives don't you?




Mr. Horn, the only way this ends with no loss of life is if Nauplius repents.

Second to that is if he surrenders all slaves, ceases operations, and deconstructs the facility.

If you somehow manage that, I'd be impressed.

Save for that resolution, well, we all know how this will end.

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#111 - 2017-05-17 11:50:41 UTC
The forces of Molok the Deceiver continue to line up against the Red God and his Achuran Missionary Citadel.

Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque and Clouds Of War have declared war against Hoi Andrapodistai.
#112 - 2017-05-17 12:16:08 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
I understand it's in low orbit.
I haven't made a calculation, but from visual observation and looking at some numbers, I'm quite sure it is solidly in medium orbit.
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
We call on all parties , liberal extremists , Amarr loyalists , Minmatar freedom fighters , to halt any hostile actions and show calm.

Horn & Bros , believe a peaceful resolution can be found , suggest opening informal talks with all parties concerned , to end this incident peacefully and with out loss of life.

We would happily transport all the slaves in the temple to a nearby Caldari station , hand them over to humanitarian or Minmatar organisation , if it can be negotiated.


You think this hasn't been done before? He just does it again. Gets more slaves, more citadels... It's an endless cycle.
An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?

If it helps...if TomHorn succeeds in negotiating a solution that would be agreeable to all involved parties, then I offer to take care of the transport and delivery of any surrendered slaves from the Achuran Missionary Citadel to a location agreed upon by the "Liberal extremists, Amarr loyalists, and Minmatar freedom fighters."
#113 - 2017-05-17 12:29:53 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

You might consider taking some sniping lessons from Miz, Ms. Tsukiyo.


In case it wasn´t clear, your self commiseration and martyrdom show that you´ve spent a lot of time with Amarr and introjected a lot of stuff that expands your ego to a level that i find hard to believe you actually visited Saisio at any time, let alone trained there. You actually wrote that YOU were responsible for an entire planets predicament.

Damn girl, that´s a lot of bellybuttoncentrism there.

Just pointing that so you can think about it in case you want to. This path will bring you a lot of suffering. Suffering that you created, cultivated and collects with joy from what it seems

Not that is wrong or anything. Pain can be fun too.

Want some?

Che Biko wrote:
An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?


Why deprive the population of Saisio from the beautiful fireworks?

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#114 - 2017-05-17 13:06:42 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?


Either one just encourages him to do it again. You're giving him no reason not to continue his pattern of murder-for-attention. Congratulations, you're enablers. And really, given the lengths to which people go to justify being his enablers while simultaneously patting themselves on the back, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.

"I have made you all react to me! I am so important!" meets "We stopped him again! Yay, something we did matters!"

And then what? Wait a month until he buys a new one? No no! Now we're convincing him to just take it down! He can go buy more slaves and set up shop in Dodixie next! And then everyone can run over there and spend a week getting all outraged. While the thing anchors, you can make your dire declarations of not tolerating his crap anymore. You can run up your utterly meaningless war declarations that won't take effect in time for the 15-minute vulnerability timer, so he's perfectly safe for a week. Longer, if he's smart and schedules the vulnerability timer for around 0700 or so. After all, which among you is going to alarm-clock that, since we can all see your activity patterns?

So he'll keep you chasing your own tails, and soaking up the attention, and you can keep on posturing until he's 'defeated' by agreeing to pull down his citadel. And then as soon as the war-decs expire, he sets it up again and goes to buy new slaves.

But keep on congratulating yourselves for doing nothing but encouraging him. After all, you wouldn't want to not be able to posture and preen right alongside him, right?

Tell you what: why don't you guys streamline the process, and just hang onto the slaves for him so you can trade them back once the citadel's down. You don't have to tell anyone. And at least then you're limiting the risk to one group of slaves, instead of cycling through fifty times that number.
#115 - 2017-05-17 13:10:45 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

Either one just encourages him to do it again. You're giving him no reason not to continue his pattern of murder-for-attention. Congratulations, you're enablers. And really, given the lengths to which people go to justify being his enablers while simultaneously patting themselves on the back, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.

"I have made you all react to me! I am so important!" meets "We stopped him again! Yay, something we did matters!"

And then what? Wait a month until he buys a new one? No no! Now we're convincing him to just take it down! He can go buy more slaves and set up shop in Dodixie next! And then everyone can run over there and spend a week getting all outraged. While the thing anchors, you can make your dire declarations of not tolerating his crap anymore. You can run up your utterly meaningless war declarations that won't take effect in time for the 15-minute vulnerability timer, so he's perfectly safe for a week. Longer, if he's smart and schedules the vulnerability timer for around 0700 or so. After all, which among you is going to alarm-clock that, since we can all see your activity patterns?

So he'll keep you chasing your own tails, and soaking up the attention, and you can keep on posturing until he's 'defeated' by agreeing to pull down his citadel. And then as soon as the war-decs expire, he sets it up again and goes to buy new slaves.

But keep on congratulating yourselves for doing nothing but encouraging him. After all, you wouldn't want to not be able to posture and preen right alongside him, right?

Tell you what: why don't you guys streamline the process, and just hang onto the slaves for him so you can trade them back once the citadel's down. You don't have to tell anyone. And at least then you're limiting the risk to one group of slaves, instead of cycling through fifty times that number.



Some herd cats, some defend values. Why do you want to spoil their fun? Or you´re trying to boss more people other than your regulars?

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#116 - 2017-05-17 13:27:35 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?


Either one just encourages him to do it again. You're giving him no reason not to continue his pattern of murder-for-attention. Congratulations, you're enablers. And really, given the lengths to which people go to justify being his enablers while simultaneously patting themselves on the back, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.

"I have made you all react to me! I am so important!" meets "We stopped him again! Yay, something we did matters!"

And then what? Wait a month until he buys a new one? No no! Now we're convincing him to just take it down! He can go buy more slaves and set up shop in Dodixie next! And then everyone can run over there and spend a week getting all outraged. While the thing anchors, you can make your dire declarations of not tolerating his crap anymore. You can run up your utterly meaningless war declarations that won't take effect in time for the 15-minute vulnerability timer, so he's perfectly safe for a week. Longer, if he's smart and schedules the vulnerability timer for around 0700 or so. After all, which among you is going to alarm-clock that, since we can all see your activity patterns?

So he'll keep you chasing your own tails, and soaking up the attention, and you can keep on posturing until he's 'defeated' by agreeing to pull down his citadel. And then as soon as the war-decs expire, he sets it up again and goes to buy new slaves.

But keep on congratulating yourselves for doing nothing but encouraging him. After all, you wouldn't want to not be able to posture and preen right alongside him, right?

Tell you what: why don't you guys streamline the process, and just hang onto the slaves for him so you can trade them back once the citadel's down. You don't have to tell anyone. And at least then you're limiting the risk to one group of slaves, instead of cycling through fifty times that number.


Ah the better solution?


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#117 - 2017-05-17 13:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

Some herd cats, some defend values. Why do you want to spoil their fun?


I don't give a damn about their fun. If they really want him to stop, then the way to do it is to starve him of the attention he craves. And for all the 'ohhh, childen stop but sociopaths don't'... Sociopaths also don't go around writing weeks upon weeks of hornball aphorisms about 'The earlobe of the Vheriokhor is fleshy and nibbleable; let it not tempt you from the path of veganism' or some such drivel. Napkins is a spoiled brat, not a sociopath.

But they don't really want to stop him, do they? For once, I think you've actually hit it right on the head.

This is just as much of a game to them as it is to him. Endangering peoples' lives, destroying space stations if they don't get their way... it's all just for 'fun'. So, you got me on this one, Morgana: they're not his enablers.

They're his partners.

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Casserina Leshrac wrote:

Ah the better solution?


Already given, many times, by more than just me. Ignore him. Yes, in the short term, he'll act out worse. In the long term he'll give up. And I promise, if he'd killed a million people the first time and gotten no-where and given up, we'd have a smaller body-count now.

But please, by all means, keep dancing with him. Enjoy your fun-time.
#118 - 2017-05-17 13:37:33 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

But they don't really want to stop him, do they? For once, I think you've actually hit it right on the head.

This is just as much of a game to them as it is to him. Endangering peoples' lives, destroying space stations if they don't get their way... it's all just for 'fun'. So, you got me on this one, Morgana: they're not his enablers.

They're his partners.


Now expand this concept to the entire cluster. The lack of meaning on all this will present itself, this is only a play with everybody playing their role, but a few know they´re only actors.

Sure they may go back and play their part, but once you know you´re an actor in a play, you don´t look at the characters the same way.

Specially when you know they believe in it.

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#119 - 2017-05-17 13:41:19 UTC
Please show the historical reference that you method works. Instead lecturing.

Otherwise sowing the seeds divisiveness may have you viewed as his partner.

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#120 - 2017-05-17 13:46:09 UTC
Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Please show the historical reference that you method works. Instead lecturing.

Otherwise sowing the seeds divisiveness may have you viewed as his partner.


She doesn´t want to give a fireworks show to the people of Saisio. Let her bee.

Did we muster enough people to blow the thing up?

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