EVE General Discussion

Wormhole corp kissing The Ring and becoming nullbears means "winning the game". Or so I heard.

but jokes aside

There is an endgame... and isn't. As in real life your endgame can be fulfilling a goal. Or a few. Getting specialized in an activity and becoming the best (or one of the few best) is what I'd call endgame.
But if the goal is "try everything and be the best in everything", it's impossible to archive, so I would argue it doesn't exist.

The "End Game" is when you have become too bored with the existing gameplay and simply stop logging in.

As for gameplay within the game, I see it more as a wheel. You start in someplace like Hi Sec and go to somewhere like, WH, Low Sec, or Null Sec, play there until you get bored, then go to one of the places you didn't already go and play a bit, and etc.

You can also do the same for different careers. I started doing mainly pvp and mining, then went into invention, then PI. By the time I got into PI it wasn't really worth going back into the other careers due to the high saturation of existing players doing that.

When CCP introduced all those industries they were very profitable for a while, then as more got into them, they became very competitive.
Those who got into them each early on made a lot of isk, those who followed on made a lot less.

So for many of the industries in this game, there has been no real reason to go back to them. And for many areas of this game, they haven't changed enough or I don't have the time to invest, like Null Sec or WHs.

So, that is the "End Game" for me. It has become no longer fun or profitable to do nearly everything that you can do in this game, so I no longer play it.

I just come back once in a while to see of CCP actually does something beyond the narrow vision they have had the last several years.

For me, there is no classic "endgame".
I can have as much fun in EVE with a new toon just hours old as with one that is a few years old.
It depends on what you want to do in EVE. New Eden is not a themepark but a sandbox - there is no "getting as fast as I can to maxlevel". And - it seems to me - that is a very good thing.

I'd view it as eve having multiple end-games.

For example... in market trading there is probably a finite set of skills where you are on even footing with all the other market traders (other than your own personal ability to play the market). Once you get those skills, you have the same set of tools that everyone else has (at least for that one toon).

To me that is similar to trying to grind up to level XX as quickly as possible so you can take part in that MMORPG's "end game" content. In both cases the other guys may have more stuff or better ability... but you're both maxed out in terms of skills.

So there is a max trading skill level where you arrive at the end-game. There is a max mining skill set. There is a max manufacturing/research skill set. Achieving each of those puts you at the end-game for that activity.

Combat skills... well that's a little different. Each fitting for each ship would have an "end-game" skill set (every skill that has any effect on the fitting for the ship you're running skilled up to V)... but I'm not sure how often people would actually do that. Many skills have exceptionally long training times to go from level 4 to 5... for the same incremental increase you got for each of the levels going to lvl 4. In a practical sense... being able to reship into a better ship against what you're facing is more valuable than getting some of those lvl 5's to "perfect" the skills for one ship.

So... I would say there is a point where your character cannot be improved for what you're doing... which by definition is a sort of end game. But it takes so long to get there and you can get close enough to be competitive in a much shorter time that effectively the endgame isn't really played by many people.

OK, for me the end game was to form an alliance then move to null. But then it was to leave null and maybe wormhole. Then it was to get elected to the CSM. Now it is pointing out the way I think the CSM has lost its way. I thought it might be doing OK in the alliance tournament but now I sort of did that.

I did see the claim that this forum is the end game and that is about the right amount of meta to maybe be the truth. Getting your Eve character in the world news turns out to not be the end game.

I now believe the end game may be finally returning to the original Everquest. Wait, that isn't it!

The end game is simple. That next thing you want to do is clearly your end game. When you run out of those you enter the bitter vet game phase and that eventually leads to your final encounter with the ultimate Eve MOB boss. The forum moderator and the perma-ban! :-)

OK, maybe that isn't it.

I am going to go back to the end game involves leaving Eve for good to play a different game. I'd suggest this one:

The Stanley Parable

end game every time you undock

End game? What end game? In sandbox? End game will be when I'll stop playing EvE.

The so-called End Game in Eve is there, it's just not what the game defines it to be...it's what you define it to be.

It's not like other story-driven games where you have one or multiple possible terminating points in the story resulting in a cut-scene that proceeds to pat you on the back for doing a good job then shows you rolling credits and returns you to some main menu.

The end game was Apocrypha. After that...just lipstick on pigs. You're dead to me->eve

The end game is when you stop logging in. Even moreso if you still manage to play the game without logging in.