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Erica Wyvern
The Wyvern Family Corp
#1 - 2017-05-14 23:49:41 UTC
So I got ganked mining in Lowsec. I'm not complaining. It happens, but I would like to know how they did certain things.
I couldn't target lock either of the 2 pc's who got me due to disruption from their warp cores and my drones (4 Hobgoblin 2's) totally ignored them even though they are set on aggressive.
I don't think it would have made a difference. I think I was dead as soon as they warped in, but I'd like to know how they made it so easy.QuestionQuestionQuestion
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2017-05-15 00:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rawketsled
Name one of your characters so we can research the kills. Right now, you haven't given enough information for anyone to give you useful answers.
Wanda Fayne
#3 - 2017-05-15 00:06:23 UTC
There's no Zkill entry for your character or corp.

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Erica Wyvern
The Wyvern Family Corp
#4 - 2017-05-15 11:21:30 UTC
Don't know why it doesn't show on zkill, but here is the kill report.

2017.05.14 21:53:21

Victim: Erica Wyvern
Corp: The Wyvern Family Corp
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Gerper
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 7597

Involved parties:

Name: Jess Simmons (laid the final blow)
Security: -2.00
Corp: Tosh 2.0
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Cynabal
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II
Damage Done: 7597

Name: Mitch Crawford
Security: -0.3
Corp: Diggers Corporation
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Arazu
Weapon: Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Damage Done: 0

Destroyed items:

Strip Miner I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates (Cargo)
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
100mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates (Cargo)
Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Overdrive Injector System I
Strip Miner I
Contaminated Lorentz Fluid, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Ta3 Compact Ship Scanner (Cargo)
Broken Drone Transceiver, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Tungsten Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Hornet I (Cargo)
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Dropped items:

Thorium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Suppressed Targeting System I (Cargo)
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Cargo)
Small Cap Battery II
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Iridium Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Mobile Tractor Unit (Cargo)
Metal Scraps, Qty: 9 (Cargo)
Small Brief Capacitor Overcharge I (Cargo)
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit (Cargo)
Damaged Artificial Neural Network (Cargo)
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive (Cargo)
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor (Cargo)
Pure Jaspet, Qty: 11226 (Other)
Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)

Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#5 - 2017-05-15 11:35:08 UTC
Either they put ecm drones on you or the Arazu managed to get your targeting range so low you could not target anything past 3 km

As for drones.. Arazu was probably far away so derpy drones started flying towards it and you died before they could do any damage. Or outside of drone control range and they got confused or something.
Thomas Lot
Spatial Forces
Warped Intentions
#6 - 2017-05-15 11:35:13 UTC
You were mining with a Retriever in Low-Sec. That's why it was "so easy". Hell i'm a null bear and even I would have killed you for that alone.
Jones Beach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-05-15 11:42:57 UTC
Erica Wyvern wrote:
Don't know why it doesn't show on zkill, but here is the kill report.

2017.05.14 21:53:21

Victim: Erica Wyvern
Corp: The Wyvern Family Corp
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Gerper
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 7597

Involved parties:

Name: Jess Simmons (laid the final blow)
Security: -2.00
Corp: Tosh 2.0
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Cynabal
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II
Damage Done: 7597

Name: Mitch Crawford
Security: -0.3
Corp: Diggers Corporation
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Arazu
Weapon: Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Damage Done: 0

Destroyed items:

Strip Miner I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates (Cargo)
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
100mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates (Cargo)
Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Overdrive Injector System I
Strip Miner I
Contaminated Lorentz Fluid, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Ta3 Compact Ship Scanner (Cargo)
Broken Drone Transceiver, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Tungsten Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Hornet I (Cargo)
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Dropped items:

Thorium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Suppressed Targeting System I (Cargo)
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Cargo)
Small Cap Battery II
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Iridium Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Mobile Tractor Unit (Cargo)
Metal Scraps, Qty: 9 (Cargo)
Small Brief Capacitor Overcharge I (Cargo)
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit (Cargo)
Damaged Artificial Neural Network (Cargo)
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive (Cargo)
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor (Cargo)
Pure Jaspet, Qty: 11226 (Other)
Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)


You were in a retriever a notoriously thin skinned ship. Likely you were simply dead before you could do anything.
Sophie Comptant
Dream Endeavor
#8 - 2017-05-15 12:01:39 UTC
Start thinking to use the Procurer or a Skiff with Medium shield expander.

A procurer with medium shield skill, you get about 15k hp of shield alone. If you add resist you'll tank way better.

Take care!
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#9 - 2017-05-15 12:05:10 UTC
Cynabal with 425s and maximum skills can engage beyond 30Km. Probably beyond your drone control range with a 3 week old character. It can also deliver enough dps to kill a Retriever faster than you can get a target lock.

If you want to know why you died and what you can do to improve, I recommend talking to the people who killed you. Most are more than happy to help. Eve is a PVP game and a Cynabal pilot probably has a fair amount of experience. Send an Evemail and chat!
Erica Wyvern
The Wyvern Family Corp
#10 - 2017-05-15 13:12:23 UTC
What I was looking for was why I was getting a message that their warp core was interfering with target lock. I've seen that before on targets that are just about to jump, but not on targets that are sticking around, and why when they are within drone range and attacking my drones ignored them.
This toon may only be 3 weeks old, but I am not. Nor am I a new player.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-05-15 13:21:17 UTC
Do Little wrote:

If you want to know why you died and what you can do to improve, I recommend talking to the people who killed you. Most are more than happy to help. Eve is a PVP game and a Cynabal pilot probably has a fair amount of experience. Send an Evemail and chat!

This.

To your problem with the drones, (aggressive) drones in lowsec will not engage a legal player target for you automatically, you have to order them explicitly to do so. But you need a target lock for that of course. However a paper-tank Retriever will be dead before you can blink twice.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-05-15 13:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Erica Wyvern wrote:
What I was looking for was why I was getting a message that their warp core was interfering with target lock. I've seen that before on targets that are just about to jump, but not on targets that are sticking around, and why when they are within drone range and attacking my drones ignored them.
This toon may only be 3 weeks old, but I am not. Nor am I a new player.

What you describe happens if the ship is either still landing on grid (some 5s after warp) or already escaping in warp. Maybe you tried to target one of them too early ... spam ctrl+click is what you do in those moments if they are still landing.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Erica Wyvern
The Wyvern Family Corp
#13 - 2017-05-15 13:29:34 UTC
Thanks Tipa.
That explains the drone problem.
Nalia White
Tencus
#14 - 2017-05-15 16:12:25 UTC
Sophie Comptant wrote:
Start thinking to use the Procurer or a Skiff with Medium shield expander.

A procurer with medium shield skill, you get about 15k hp of shield alone. If you add resist you'll tank way better.

Take care!


tbh, he is in low. i would go for max yield there too.. once you are caught you are caught. more tank will not save your ass...

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Sophie Comptant
Dream Endeavor
#15 - 2017-05-15 19:15:15 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
Sophie Comptant wrote:
Start thinking to use the Procurer or a Skiff with Medium shield expander.

A procurer with medium shield skill, you get about 15k hp of shield alone. If you add resist you'll tank way better.

Take care!


tbh, he is in low. i would go for max yield there too.. once you are caught you are caught. more tank will not save your ass...



Ah yeah, he's in Low... I play null. Quite the difference here.
Defecanda
Ice Mining Boys
#16 - 2017-05-15 21:55:32 UTC
Drones in low sec = manual target whether passive or aggressive.

Targeting =. You were in retriever, so most likely you were dead in 2 hard cycles. You probably spammed target lock before they were fully on grid and were instantly killed. Just a theory.

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#17 - 2017-05-15 22:07:06 UTC
Erica Wyvern wrote:
What I was looking for was why I was getting a message that their warp core was interfering with target lock. I've seen that before on targets that are just about to jump, but not on targets that are sticking around, and why when they are within drone range and attacking my drones ignored them.
This toon may only be 3 weeks old, but I am not. Nor am I a new player.

I suspect you simply misread the messages that flashed up.

The Arazu might have damped you at the same time, reducing your targeting range. Or it could have simply had ECM fitted.
Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2017-05-15 23:08:32 UTC
There are several things that could have happened that lead to this, but I imagine these were likely what you had happen:

Lock problem: (others have already pointed this out)
They had likely just came out of warp and you tried targeting too early sending that initial failed to lock due to warp message. However, once landing you were damped by the Arazu to the point where you could no longer lock. Causing further attempts to lock to simply fail. You were simply dead before the initial message as to why your lock failed disappeared.

Drone problem:
I'm guessing you didn't launch your drones until you were engaged. Drone's set to aggressive or defensive will not recognize targets already engaged prior to their being in space. Meaning you would have had to manually tell them to attack, which you could not without a locked target.


The only problem between these you could have solved is the drones having them in space at all times so once you are engaged they will automatically fight. Like others have stated, try mining in a procurer/skiff. You can get a lot more tank and firepower out of these. Not that it would have saved you vs what came at you, but you would have lasted longer or been able to warp out in time once you saw the Cynabal on dscan. Which is the last tip I'll give you, always keep dscan up and know who's in local with you. If you see something you think might be coming after you, get out unless you're prepared to fight.
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-05-15 23:59:10 UTC
If you want to mine (or rat) in lowsec with anything, you pretty much have to krab (dock at the first sign of an unknown). Lowsec is full of people who think the game is all about kill/death ratio and want to add you to their list of kills. The game has several ships designed specifically to sneak up on you, uncloak, scram you, and drop reinforcements on you so you die fast.

Asteroid belts don't really have any "unstable piles of bricks" to drop on a foolish attacker unless you happen to have friends to cyno in.

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