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#201 - 2017-05-13 16:42:38 UTC
Loai Qerl wrote:
Ooo, though. Surely you knew that contradictions and assumptions and all other things, even sandwiches, will all disappear into something much more important once we are all an icky brain-jellyfish and transcend to something-or-other?

Because it WILL. And then we can start having important brain jellyfish feelings.

But I like sandwiches

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#202 - 2017-05-13 16:44:40 UTC
Loai Qerl wrote:
Ooo, though. Surely you knew that contradictions and assumptions and all other things, even sandwiches, will all disappear into something much more important once we are all an icky brain-jellyfish and transcend to something-or-other?

Because it WILL. And then we can start having important brain jellyfish feelings.


If you remove the "And then we can start having important brain jellyfish feelings.", that is a good summary.

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#203 - 2017-05-13 17:02:42 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
What was never had cannot be lost.


A good summary of your marbles, yes.
#204 - 2017-05-13 17:57:51 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Loai Qerl wrote:
Ooo, though. Surely you knew that contradictions and assumptions and all other things, even sandwiches, will all disappear into something much more important once we are all an icky brain-jellyfish and transcend to something-or-other?

Because it WILL. And then we can start having important brain jellyfish feelings.


If you remove the "And then we can start having important brain jellyfish feelings.", that is a good summary.



That is the most important part of the summary, don't be ridiculous. ONLY brain jellyfish can have important feelings, and you have been saying this all along. Everything else? Not important. Must become jellyfish first. Only jellyfish things matter.
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#205 - 2017-05-13 18:39:03 UTC
And this, folks, is how the Jove happened.

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#206 - 2017-05-13 19:39:39 UTC
Loai Qerl wrote:

That is the most important part of the summary, don't be ridiculous. ONLY brain jellyfish can have important feelings, and you have been saying this all along. Everything else? Not important. Must become jellyfish first. Only jellyfish things matter.


So close, no matter how far.

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#207 - 2017-05-13 20:04:00 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Loai Qerl wrote:

That is the most important part of the summary, don't be ridiculous. ONLY brain jellyfish can have important feelings, and you have been saying this all along. Everything else? Not important. Must become jellyfish first. Only jellyfish things matter.


So close, no matter how far.


Yeah, but let's face it: your opinion's not important. You said so.
#208 - 2017-05-13 21:34:23 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Loai Qerl wrote:

That is the most important part of the summary, don't be ridiculous. ONLY brain jellyfish can have important feelings, and you have been saying this all along. Everything else? Not important. Must become jellyfish first. Only jellyfish things matter.


So close, no matter how far.


Yeah, but let's face it: your opinion's not important. You said so.


Exactly! At least something got through.

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#209 - 2017-05-14 12:15:15 UTC
Miss Jenneth, I have always found it interesting that while my beliefs are similar to Miss Tsukiyo's and yours and your predecessor's, I've also found some things in how you think that I consider a little contradictory, and where I'm actually a little surprised you are not more like me and Miss Tsukiyo.
#210 - 2017-05-14 14:48:25 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Miss Jenneth, I have always found it interesting that while my beliefs are similar to Miss Tsukiyo's and yours and your predecessor's, I've also found some things in how you think that I consider a little contradictory, and where I'm actually a little surprised you are not more like me and Miss Tsukiyo.

Details are maybe helpful, Che?

(And I'm a little surprised you think you think like Ms. Tsukiyo. She's basically the quintessential Achur as seen through the eyes of Nicoletta Mithra-- which is not, on this subject, a friendly pair of eyes.)
#211 - 2017-05-14 15:34:24 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

(...)She's basically the quintessential Achur as seen through the eyes of Nicoletta Mithra-- which is not, on this subject, a friendly pair of eyes.)


You pick someone that believes in some sort of deity as a reference in "spiritual" matters?

If you meet god on the road, kill it.

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#212 - 2017-05-14 15:43:27 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

(...)She's basically the quintessential Achur as seen through the eyes of Nicoletta Mithra-- which is not, on this subject, a friendly pair of eyes.)


You pick someone that believes in some sort of deity as a reference in "spiritual" matters?

If you meet god on the road, kill it.


You misunderstand, Ms. Tsukiyo.

I'm saying you're an Achur as imagined by someone who doesn't understand us very well or like us very much.
#213 - 2017-05-14 15:50:40 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

You misunderstand, Ms. Tsukiyo.

I'm saying you're an Achur as imagined by someone who doesn't understand us very well or like us very much.


She is a doctor in theology, how would she earn that degree without compared mythology and some sort of insight on the structure of our paths and the other factions? If she holds little steem for our kind, it´s due to prejudice and her cup being full of other stuff, not for lack of understanding.

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#214 - 2017-05-14 16:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Makoto Priano wrote:
And this, folks, is how the Jove happened.


Can't be bumped up hard enough.

But... If we'll have fun being the Jove 2.0, why not?

Everyone dies. The Jove, all of them, died. We'll die one day. Yes, and you'll die, too, and you there. So why not?

Live, explore, feel pain, feel joy, while you still can.

Life is precious, every drop of it.
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#215 - 2017-05-14 17:00:51 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

You pick someone that believes in some sort of deity as a reference in "spiritual" matters?

If you meet god on the road, kill it.


Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:

She is a doctor in theology, how would she earn that degree without compared mythology and some sort of insight on the structure of our paths and the other factions?


So, is she someone who's unqualified, or someone who's an authority? You can't have it both ways.
#216 - 2017-05-14 17:27:32 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

So, is she someone who's unqualified, or someone who's an authority? You can't have it both ways.


Of course you can have both.

As a "spiritual" reference, believing in some sort of god is an way of either dodging responsibility for your choices or some sort of hope that you have "time" or a "place" to enjoy afterwards, and at least the methodology that i follow means burning away the un-truth to see what is left after the fire, as many Achura, in one way or another, follow. Is a travel inwards, so no need for cosmic daddy issues.

In a inward perspective, she is unqualified as a reference.

As someone with a doctorate in theology, compared mythology is a common discipline throughout the course, so differently from a person that was never exposed to other religions/beliefs/rituals/spiritualism/methodology, she most likely learned something about Achura ways. She will probably not be an ignorant on our practices. So, she has an academic title that represents authority on lack of ignorance on a certain subject, case in point, our practices.

However, to know and to understand are two different things.

You can describe the colours of the different nebula of our known universe as accurately as possible, but to a blind person it won´t mean much in terms of experience, even is fhe may repeat the description and repeat it with authority.

And that is why i´m inviting everyone to experience something that can not be explained through words alone.

So all of you can understand.

And then do what you wish with it.



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#217 - 2017-05-14 19:30:46 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Arrendis wrote:

So, is she someone who's unqualified, or someone who's an authority? You can't have it both ways.


Of course you can have both


No, you categorically cannot. You first object to her being used as a reference based on the assertion that as an outsider, she's incapable of understanding and so unqualitied to judge. You even go so far as to put 'spirituality' in scare quotes as a means of showing that as someone who believe in a deity, she cannot possibly understand. Then immediately, you turn around and claim that because she's a Doctor of Theology[1], she must have a solid understanding of all sorts of spiritual belief systems and so of course she's a qualified authority to cite in this case.

The two statements directly refute one another. They are mutually exclusive. That means if 1, then !2. Always. The rest of your responsie is just more obfuscation and attempting to weasel around the fact that you just tried to claim that A and !A are simultaneously true on macroscopic scale.

Someone's qualification to form opinions of someone else's beliefs, for the record, are not subject to the Quantum Uncertainty Principle.




1. This, mind you, doesn't mean anything beyond her qualifications as it pertains to Amarr theology. As a result, an Amarr Doctor of Theology isn't actually guaranteed to know a damned thing about Achurrian believes. That would likely be the field of Comparative Folklore, Mythology, or Anthropology, within the Empire.
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#218 - 2017-05-14 19:36:01 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
That would likely be the field of Comparative Folklore, Mythology, or Anthropology, within the Empire.


Implying those are fields with any prestige.


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#219 - 2017-05-14 19:42:32 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
That would likely be the field of Comparative Folklore, Mythology, or Anthropology, within the Empire.


Implying those are fields with any prestige.


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#220 - 2017-05-14 21:11:19 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

Stuff


Read again.
Compare what you read with your answer.

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