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What are your thoughts if there would/could be an EVE 2?
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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#21 - 2017-05-10 13:12:18 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.

Mr Epeen Cool


This is wrong.

Within 2 weeks of "EVE 2" the same people who are 'ahead' here and 'calling the shoits' would be ahead there, and the same people who are behind here would fall behind in some way there (and run to the forums to blame 'bad people, greedy CCP, game mechanics, the weather, etc etc). As in real life, so it is in game.

Successful people have successful people habits (some of which aren't 'nice'), a new version of EVE doesn't change basic reality.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#22 - 2017-05-10 13:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
'Better' is very subjective. What better graphics? What better technologies?

What's lacking specifically in the current graphics and technologies.

What servers are going to be more modern than the current TQ3?


EVE could use multi-threaded code, frankly. Right now TQ is like a Ferrari running on whiskey instead of gas. Yes, probably it will perform better than a VW Golf also running on whiskey, but there's something seriously lacking in the fuel department...

Only problem is that multi-threaded EVE would be effectively EVE 2 since everything should be coded again...

The backend code that is still Python uses stackless, so each process runs in its own thread and multiple micro threads can run on the one CPU. It's already multithreaded, but just not system threads. The Python interpreter is running the threads.

That's not necessarily to say that is the best way it could be done, just that it isn't as simple as being multithreaded. It already is.
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
#23 - 2017-05-10 14:53:28 UTC
Oh yes, they could do it like TSW did.

Wipe the server, change the game in ways no one ever asked for and re-release the game.

Not just NO, F NO!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2017-05-10 15:11:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.

Mr Epeen Cool


This is wrong.

Within 2 weeks of "EVE 2" the same people who are 'ahead' here and 'calling the shoits' would be ahead there, and the same people who are behind here would fall behind in some way there (and run to the forums to blame 'bad people, greedy CCP, game mechanics, the weather, etc etc). As in real life, so it is in game.

Successful people have successful people habits (some of which aren't 'nice'), a new version of EVE doesn't change basic reality.
Maybe.

But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them.

There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game.

And yet, here you all are, still posting.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#25 - 2017-05-10 15:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mr Epeen wrote:


Maybe.

But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them.

There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game.

And yet, here you all are, still posting.

Mr Epeen Cool


That's nonsense. The people talking about other games (ie "Star Citizen is goign to kill EVE") aren't the successful people (the so called "bittervets" you claim are "calling the shots"). The people making those claims are the disaffected carebears who rage quit and always slither back after they learn that the totally safe pro-carebear game they jsut knew would kill EVE was, in actual fact, boring as hell.

What you said was I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.". We've heard that before every time someone talks about a "server reset". The idea rests upon the fallacy that the 'rich/powerful' players in EVE are only that way because they got a head start, and if people had an 'even playing field' things would be different.

They wouldn't, because the people who blamed the 'entrenched interests' for their problems ignore the fact that they have bad and self defeating personal habits and ways of thinking that would make them stay on the loosing side even in a reset EVE Online (or EVE 2).



What you said reminded me of Dominion Sov. CCP said it would do all this nice stuff for 'small entities' and people believed it, the 'big groups' like Goons tried to tell everyone that was stupid and that Dominion Sov would make big groups stronger. The small group folks replied "you are just scared of change because you know Dominion Sov will make you weaker!!!!".

7 Years of Goon domination of a huge chunk of nullsec thanks to Dominion Sov didn't seem to convince anyone of anything it seems.

Likewise, EVE 2 would mean HIGHER LEVELS of 'bittervet domination of the game' because those bitter vets had 14 years of seeing how people react to things so they know how to manipulate games for their own purposes.

If EVE 2 ever happened, you would NOT like it, Mr Epeen.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#26 - 2017-05-10 16:44:56 UTC
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#27 - 2017-05-10 16:49:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


Maybe.

But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them.

There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game.

And yet, here you all are, still posting.

Mr Epeen Cool


That's nonsense. The people talking about other games (ie "Star Citizen is goign to kill EVE") aren't the successful people (the so called "bittervets" you claim are "calling the shots"). The people making those claims are the disaffected carebears who rage quit and always slither back after they learn that the totally safe pro-carebear game they jsut knew would kill EVE was, in actual fact, boring as hell.

What you said was I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.". We've heard that before every time someone talks about a "server reset". The idea rests upon the fallacy that the 'rich/powerful' players in EVE are only that way because they got a head start, and if people had an 'even playing field' things would be different.

They wouldn't, because the people who blamed the 'entrenched interests' for their problems ignore the fact that they have bad and self defeating personal habits and ways of thinking that would make them stay on the loosing side even in a reset EVE Online (or EVE 2).



What you said reminded me of Dominion Sov. CCP said it would do all this nice stuff for 'small entities' and people believed it, the 'big groups' like Goons tried to tell everyone that was stupid and that Dominion Sov would make big groups stronger. The small group folks replied "you are just scared of change because you know Dominion Sov will make you weaker!!!!".

7 Years of Goon domination of a huge chunk of nullsec thanks to Dominion Sov didn't seem to convince anyone of anything it seems.

Likewise, EVE 2 would mean HIGHER LEVELS of 'bittervet domination of the game' because those bitter vets had 14 years of seeing how people react to things so they know how to manipulate games for their own purposes.

If EVE 2 ever happened, you would NOT like it, Mr Epeen.
World of Tanks can thank its success for the bittervets of EVE.

'nuff said.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#28 - 2017-05-10 22:26:00 UTC
With all that's been done to Eve, from adding content that wasn't there before to overhauling and completely redoing, replacing, or removing content that's been around long enough to have been, Eve today is literally well beyond Eve 2: Eve Harder already.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2017-05-10 23:11:27 UTC
Woah didnt expect so many comments ._.
From what im reading at the moment lots of people don't seem to like the idea, was just a thought throwing it out there
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2017-05-10 23:19:57 UTC
Thankyou everyone for your comments! They are very appreciated and i agree that our eve is basically an eve 2, it would split the playerbase. But what if, if this eve's servers got shut down, then would we want an eve 2? not sure really, if eve 1 got shut down because it "Died" then eve 2 probably wouldnt kick off either. Anyway thankyou everyone! sorry if i triggered some people by making a post about if there was an eve 2.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#31 - 2017-05-10 23:29:24 UTC
why would they go to eve 2 and not just eve insert new expansion name here?

everything gets upgraded every few years it seems, there have been a bunch of graphics updates in the time I've been playing. Also they just updated the servers a year ago go read about TQ tech 3. And at some point they needed to get a security clearance to take a look at SSDs to use for the database server.

and in game they go through and update the ships every so often, and are working on getting rid of the old POS/outposts and moving over to citadels.

And as said, if they ended Eve I'd probably wouldn't go on with CCP anything. I've been playing over 10 years and haven't hit my goals yet, I'm not even an old entrenched space rich guy.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2017-05-10 23:32:25 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
why would they go to eve 2 and not just eve insert new expansion name here?

everything gets upgraded every few years it seems, there have been a bunch of graphics updates in the time I've been playing. Also they just updated the servers a year ago go read about TQ tech 3. And at some point they needed to get a security clearance to take a look at SSDs to use for the database server.

and in game they go through and update the ships every so often, and are working on getting rid of the old POS/outposts and moving over to citadels.

And as said, if they ended Eve I'd probably wouldn't go on with CCP anything. I've been playing over 10 years and haven't hit my goals yet, I'm not even an old entrenched space rich guy.

Ah okay i didn't know that they updated the servers
thanks for the reply
Vayen Kukkus
#33 - 2017-05-11 01:38:35 UTC
Salt Foambreaker wrote:
Oh yes, they could do it like TSW did.

Wipe the server, change the game in ways no one ever asked for and re-release the game.

Not just NO, F NO!

What happened to TSW?

DUST 514 FOREVER!!!!
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#34 - 2017-05-11 03:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Quote:
The backend code that is still Python uses stackless, so each process runs in its own thread and multiple micro threads can run on the one CPU. It's already multithreaded, but just not system threads. The Python interpreter is running the threads.

That's not necessarily to say that is the best way it could be done, just that it isn't as simple as being multithreaded. It already is.


The best way would be if you have 16 core cpu that 16 core are used not 1 regardless of how that single core works.

Would like to see tessellation(at least on caps and structures) and multi GPU support and finally dx 12 support.

Not sure that waiting for last living scrub to update his toaster is a way to go tbh but whatever eve 2.0 is unlike to happen.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#35 - 2017-05-11 04:41:02 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Quote:
The backend code that is still Python uses stackless, so each process runs in its own thread and multiple micro threads can run on the one CPU. It's already multithreaded, but just not system threads. The Python interpreter is running the threads.

That's not necessarily to say that is the best way it could be done, just that it isn't as simple as being multithreaded. It already is.


The best way would be if you have 16 core cpu that 16 core are used not 1 regardless of how that single core works.

Would like to see tessellation(at least on caps and structures) and multi GPU support and finally dx 12 support.

Not sure that waiting for last living scrub to update his toaster is a way to go tbh but whatever eve 2.0 is unlike to happen.

Multiple cores in a server CPU doesn't restrict stackless to the use of a single core, which isn't something that Python directly manages anyway. The server OS manage the use of the cores. Stackless manages the running of multiple microthreads on each core it is using.
Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
#36 - 2017-05-11 12:28:19 UTC
My main requirement for EVE 2 would be that Battleship would be the largest ship class. (no capitals)
Kristal Rova
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2017-05-12 14:08:17 UTC
Then what next? Server reset every month?
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#38 - 2017-05-12 14:21:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.

Mr Epeen Cool


This is wrong.

Within 2 weeks of "EVE 2" the same people who are 'ahead' here and 'calling the shoits' would be ahead there, and the same people who are behind here would fall behind in some way there (and run to the forums to blame 'bad people, greedy CCP, game mechanics, the weather, etc etc). As in real life, so it is in game.

Successful people have successful people habits (some of which aren't 'nice'), a new version of EVE doesn't change basic reality.



I think the only thing I'd add is the word "mostly".

The people ahead here would mostly be ahead in an EVE too and the ones falling behind here would "mostly" fall behind there.

One thing that vets of eve often gloss over but is a real thing are the advantages that being here early give you. You do get to take advantage of things that others who arrive later miss out on. This isn't an Eve thing... it's true of any MMO. When I played Ultima Online when it first came out there was a bug in the first month that caused people to immediately jump up to "grand master" level at whatever they were doing at the time. My toon became a grandmaster bowmaker over night. I wasn't particularly GOOD at the game... but I had an advantage that others didn't that I milked for every benefit I could.

Some people in Eve got T2 BPO's before that was shut down. Some got to take advantage of non drone aggro to have multiple accounts AFK anomaly running for years. Some got to use Rorqual mining to acquire gigantic stockpiles of ore before the nerf hit. There's nothing WRONG with that.... but taking advantage of game mechanics that have since changed are things newer players simply can't do.

I'm not complaining about it... but that does create a divide that no amount of skill injectors can make go away. So while most of the successful people would be successful... some might be much LESS successful because some of their success comes from advantages they gained when imbalanced game mechanics were in place. Some might be MORE successful because as latecomers their success has been limited by not having some advantages that earlier players had.

All that being said... I don't advocate an Eve 2. If it came out I'd play it (and dump Eve 1), but I agree it would split the userbase more than adding new players.
JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2017-05-12 14:30:30 UTC
fix hmls and let vets in tengus bully noobs in hi-sec
make eve great again
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#40 - 2017-05-14 07:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Maybe, when it comes to names, we are not getting EVE 2, but how it would feel like we would play EVE 2?


  • I think the daily downtimes would have to go away.
  • I play the game for many years and my UI looks far more customized than default one. I want some easy means of saving all settings and share them. One buton "Save UI settings", settings stored server side and exportable for sharing with newbies.
  • WiS would have to happen eventually, and doors opened for avatar gameplay.
  • More precise server ticks, not 1Hz, one per second is really slow reaction, maybe make it so it would be elastic, tied to TiDi.
  • All old models of spaceships redesigned, and prettier
  • CCP releases tech 3 ships for every ship class
  • planetary interaction UI gets overhaul, and we can dock on planets, like we dock in stations.
  • asteroid belts look like lines made of fragmented asteroid pulled apart by planets gravity, not like fairy rings.


There are my wishes. Get to work now CCP. 📈

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