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Marianna Morgan
Les Grosses Nyctalopes De L'Espace
#1 - 2012-01-20 21:07:56 UTC
When i started playing eve over a year ago dev were still working on this, i saw so many change .... update ..... "incarantion" but....
For mission runner (pvper and pure miner will probably don t care about it) "i" (i didn t see anyone else complaining so....) didn't see any LP store update and we are still struck buying those tag from hell......
Should we expect any further update this year ? ...... I'm sick to get ton of nearly useless LP (buying implant ? let me laugh, look at market price)

Also now except (and only in the 4 main nation with "1" frigate / cruser BS faction BPC) few bpc, those which have high faction standing ...... since you reduced standing avaibility for mission agent, we got useless over high standing
Same with corporate standing .... getting more than 5.0 with a corp ? got 8.0 once for clone or at least 6.5 for refining but that's all i saw .....

I just wonder an update about it, i may be the only one asking....... but still asking..... i hope i ll get answer from those which have tons of lp like me...... not pvp flammers. :/

As a guest get each corp with their on cloth with a mix LP/aurum and or corp standing mission......

Just another angry frenchy
stoicfaux
#2 - 2012-01-20 21:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
That's a lot of periods very close together. Go see a doctor ASAP. It could be a sign of serious medical condition. At the very least, modern medicine can help to control/manage/rectify such issues.

edit:
Also, all agents were standardized at Quality 20, so lp increased for almost all mission runners, thus causing increased pressure on LP items and tags.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-20 21:32:55 UTC
I agree with the OP, there need to be more items in the LP store as now the market for the few existing items is over-saturated. How about +6 attribute implants for 500.000 LP ? Or faction capital BPCs for even more ?
stoicfaux
#4 - 2012-01-20 21:39:29 UTC
Or just remove the artificial floors propping up LP store prices, namely NPC buy orders for tags. It would be a quick, short term fix to make the 'worthless' LP store items worth selling/buying. Which would also have the side effect of adding competition to the T2 market, moon goo be damned!

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Sarmatiko
#5 - 2012-01-20 21:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Before..... starting ..... another ..... complain ..... thread ..... please ..... do ..... some ..... math .....
Normal ..... LP ..... to .....ISK ..... rates ..... are ..... about ..... 1000-2000 isk fot 1 LP
If ..... you ..... lazy ..... and ..... running ..... lame ..... corp ..... like ..... Caldari Navy..... then it is only your problem ..... not our nor dev's.

Navy corps with level 5 missions will never have LP store with expensive popular modules because they produce omgwtfenourmous amounts of LP.
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Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-20 21:52:53 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Before..... starting ..... another ..... complain ..... thread ..... please ..... do ..... some ..... math .....
Normal ..... LP ..... to .....ISK ..... rates ..... are ..... about ..... 1000-2000 isk fot 1 LP
If ..... you ..... lazy ..... and ..... running ..... lame ..... corp ..... like ..... Caldari Navy..... then it is only your problem ..... not ours nor dev's.


You're so 2006 !
Marianna Morgan
Les Grosses Nyctalopes De L'Espace
#7 - 2012-01-20 22:03:55 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Before..... starting ..... another ..... complain ..... thread ..... please ..... do ..... some ..... math .....
Normal ..... LP ..... to .....ISK ..... rates ..... are ..... about ..... 1000-2000 isk fot 1 LP
If ..... you ..... lazy ..... and ..... running ..... lame ..... corp ..... like ..... Caldari Navy..... then it is only your problem ..... not our nor dev's.

Navy corps with level 5 missions will never have LP store with expensive popular modules because they produce omgwtfenourmous amounts of LP.
You want fast profit - run navy corps and fast sell ammo/implants etc.
You want good profit - run corps with popular 5-run module BPC's (not ships lol)


My own, i got 3 faction upper 9.0 standing and 13 corps upper 9.0 standing too, not in a single corp. 2k for a LP ? let me check ... most +4 implant (as a sample) cost around 18.5M (12M isk + 6M5 for 12k lp ->~540 isk/lp and droping ....)

Also no use of LP due to tag cost.....

Just another angry frenchy
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#8 - 2012-01-20 22:05:40 UTC
The quality level change hurt the lp stores but so did some other things:

Incursions also lead to a large influx of lp. This in turn put a higher demand on the tags without any increase in the supply. So the tags cost more and the lp store has slimmer profit margins.

Increased faction item drops in null sec hurts. These items compete with lp store items and the more their supply increases the profit margins will decrease.

CCP has done several things that hurt the lp store.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-01-21 18:44:05 UTC
Marianna Morgan wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Before..... starting ..... another ..... complain ..... thread ..... please ..... do ..... some ..... math .....
Normal ..... LP ..... to .....ISK ..... rates ..... are ..... about ..... 1000-2000 isk fot 1 LP
If ..... you ..... lazy ..... and ..... running ..... lame ..... corp ..... like ..... Caldari Navy..... then it is only your problem ..... not our nor dev's.

Navy corps with level 5 missions will never have LP store with expensive popular modules because they produce omgwtfenourmous amounts of LP.
You want fast profit - run navy corps and fast sell ammo/implants etc.
You want good profit - run corps with popular 5-run module BPC's (not ships lol)


My own, i got 3 faction upper 9.0 standing and 13 corps upper 9.0 standing too, not in a single corp. 2k for a LP ? let me check ... most +4 implant (as a sample) cost around 18.5M (12M isk + 6M5 for 12k lp ->~540 isk/lp and droping ....)

Also no use of LP due to tag cost.....


Attribute implants are always a very poor choice for lp/isk ratio. The only things worse are charters and ammo. They are easy, and they sell quickly, so tons of players (and bots) pick them to sell driving the price way down.

Its your call. Turn your LP over into isk fast, at a low ratio. Or get a better lp/isk ratio with lower volume goods.

But don't expect anyone to tell you what items offer good ratios. That would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-23 13:26:45 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:

Attribute implants are always a very poor choice for lp/isk ratio. The only things worse are charters and ammo. They are easy, and they sell quickly, so tons of players (and bots) pick them to sell driving the price way down.

Its your call. Turn your LP over into isk fast, at a low ratio. Or get a better lp/isk ratio with lower volume goods.

But don't expect anyone to tell you what items offer good ratios. That would be shooting themselves in the foot.


This are rare niche items, not suitable to convert larger amounts of LP into isk, as they can't be sold in bulk, and take lot's of time to convert on top of that. Therefore they are not suitable to determine the price of LP, don't reflect their value.

This is like saying shuttles cost 200.000 isk and everyone who ask less is dumb, as you can sell shuttles for 200.000 isk in some faraway outlying lowsec systems.
You can then also say "it's your call. Turn your shuttles over ito isk fast, selling them at low prices in the highsec hubs. Or get a better shuttle/isk ratio with selling in empty faraway systems." But this does not make them worth 200k, same as empire LP are not worth 2000 or 1000 isk per lp (there was a time when this was the case, but that's many years ago).
Atticus Fynch
#11 - 2012-01-23 15:10:55 UTC
There are items in the LP store that can be found cheaper on the market.

LP store just needs an update to keep up with market trends, otherwise they are just useless LP-reward offers.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-01-23 15:15:44 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Or just remove the artificial floors propping up LP store prices, namely NPC buy orders for tags.
^^ That. Let the market do the work properly.
Teowulff Odinson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-23 15:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Teowulff Odinson
Atticus Fynch wrote:
There are items in the LP store that can be found cheaper on the market.
LP store just needs an update to keep up with market trends, otherwise they are just useless LP-reward offers.

It's one of the things that make the LP store an unbalanced feature.

  • Many items are more expensive than the deadspace/officer versions on the market (mainly due to tag prices);
  • A lot of items are inferior to the versions other LP stores offer so hardly anyone wants them, like Minmatar shield stuff or Gallente armor stuff.
  • Some items are acquired by alternative means (like implants) which makes them too expensive.

I didn't do any research on it but it seems to me that there's a huge shortage on tags, probably also because most highsec players don't want to do faction missions.

Also, L4 missions hardly ever offer faction missions to start with, especially when you compare them to L3s; if you want to farm the neccessary tags yourself you either have to do L5s or FW. So due to the game mechanics, tag supply is given into the hands of a relatively small amount of players.
Jenny Cameron
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-23 16:01:08 UTC
Teowulff Odinson wrote:
I didn't do any research on it but it seems to me that there's a huge shortage on tags, probably also because most highsec players don't want to do faction missions.

Also, L4 missions hardly ever offer faction missions to start with, especially when you compare them to L3s; if you want to farm the neccessary tags yourself you either have to do L5s or FW. So due to the game mechanics, tag supply is given into the hands of a relatively small amount of players.

Well it's kind of true, when i started playing i missed that part. Only when my ship was suddenly attacked in Gallente space when I was on my way to a WH my corp wanted to occupy I found out that faction missions do have some severe side-effects.
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#15 - 2012-01-23 16:06:23 UTC
There's plenty of tags available in low sec. If you really want to, I'm sure you can farm the NPCs in abandoned FW missions and plexes, or join FW and spawn some of your own.

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