Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then you obviously aren't paying attention, because it gets explained about once per page. But I guess I'll do it again:

The ONLY reason to stay logged in if you're going to go AFK is that local gives 100% accurate and instant knowledge of any unknown player in your system. If you're doing PvE in an empty system and see a non-blue player enter local you immediately warp out to a POS/station/safespot, and there is zero chance that the potential threat can locate you and get close enough to tackle you before you're in warp to 100% safety. So let's say you are hunting someone, but you need to go AFK for dinner. You log out, you disappear from local, and your target knows they are 100% safe again. When you come back and log in again you appear in local, giving your target that same warning to dock up and be 100% safe.

What staying logged in and cloaked at all times does is obscure your threat status and force your target into a difficult choice: keep their 100% safety but forfeit any chance at income, or take the risk that you might be actively hunting them and do their PvE despite seeing you in local. If you remove the ability to stay cloaked while AFK you remove that uncertainty, and return to the situation of local being a near-perfect warning tool.

If local did not exist there would be no need to worry about any of this. If you're going to go AFK you just log out, staying logged in accomplishes nothing.

And also as population density grows too. When you ahve 10+ in a single system all it takes if for 1 person to report you and there you go, everyone in that region looking at that channel knows where you are. Having knowledge of the systems 1 jump out from where you are ratting and you can start heading for safety before they even load grid in the system next door.

Local is "too good". So the response is AFK cloaking in an attempt to lure the player into a false sense of complacency. However that can take considerable time. And thus the rage posts that were a regular occurrence on PF&ID.

Whatever.

BTW, you have yet to refute the point I made that the proposal you supported effectively removes local when the player is using a force recon.

No, no you didn't. In that post you have your usual insults and then simply a claim that local is not the issue and never has been the issue. That is not a refutation anymore than sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "Nah nah nah I can't hear you," is a refutation.

The point is, that proposal effectively removes local for players using force recons and covert ops ships. You have no reply to that, and it completely undermines you position and supports ours.

Oh...and nice job with the blocking.

If I see a CONCORD police cruiser guarding the site of a recent gank attempt, I can wait about 10 or 15 minutes and they will warp off to some pre-scripted business. This is important if the targets naturally funnel to the same gank spot (stargates, undocks). Concordantly, fitting a covert ops and heading to null, the travel time, plus the time spent waiting for real persons to resume ratting or mining after reacting to my presence in local, it works well to be discrete and not camp local. First, the situation resolves itself a lot sooner if I am in logoff. I cannot compel people to forget I am blinking in their intel tool.

Being AFK while in system is extremely counter-intuitive, for instead of normal ratting resuming, they bring out bait ships and have cyno modules or are otherwise adding additional firepower outside of the local, perceivable environ. Instead, when I logoff, having bookmarked an ideal ambush spot, I can give them the benefit of the doubt. The cloak is great for travel, but not for setting up an inevitable kill. Refit that hislot

Earlier in the thread one of the AFK = Local posters mentioned that many people use bots that automatically input local intel into intel chats, I was merely referring to one such bot type allegedly used by PH to keep tabs on Citadels being put up in Perimeter as a request for CCP to do their job on automated rubbish.

My alliance does not use any such rubbish, but their existence is often used by the AFK = Local posters to say that local must be removed, my reply is that CCP must do their jobs on bots.

I hope that clears up your confusion...


Teckos, I sometimes read your posts because while you are a troll you do actually have a brain at times, same is true of baltec1 whose presentation at Fanfest I really enjoyed. But my reply is there, you just choose to ignore it so you can make some troll like point for your own feeling of self worth.

I couldn't find this idea anywhere (not that I looked very hard lel) but maybe make a cyno interfere with a cloak in the same way as a second cloak and vice versa (even if one is offline). That way if the shrodingers camper /is/ at his/her computer and is setting up a hotdrop, they have to drop a mobile depo and refit making them visible on dscan and scannable for 5 minutes before the drop occurs... or have a friend bring the cyno into system for a faster hotdrop.

That way cloaky camping is still effective but an attentive player can respond to it when it's not afk instead of just not playing.

There are no ways around local, you cannot stop yourself from showing up in local the instant you enter the system. As for the second part, people will always report you, this has been the norm from day 1 of EVE 14 years ago.

since i posted.....

You know what I am hearing here?
I am hearing......

Waaah Waaah I can not travel for solo killing in nullsec.
WaaaahaaaWaaahh I can not get my blops team to drop on someone.

You know what, Wah Wah Wah.....STFU and HTFU.
Jesus christ, nullsec is supposed to be a group effort, organization superior arena of play.

Quit all your bitching trying to defend the AFK cloaky crap and grow a pair and just go blast whoever in the face by making a plan, grouping up, and crossing the border en mass. Because right now all you people is saying is that you want only to be nullsec to get a bling kill or something as if KM and KB even mean something. That tells me by your attitude that you are lazy, lonely, stupid, and might as well join CODE. with your main and live in highsec because that is all you are worth.

You see it as I do, spot on, and I can say it as a a reply to Linus Gorp as a guy currently in null sec killing PL campers....