EVE General Discussion

Lol 😁

Says the person complaining about one consequence of exactly that point.

sooo... u put your expensive item inside a destroyable player owned item and now your complaining you lost it huh?

This is risk vs reward i think. Did u have any benefit of putting the clone in this citadel?

I do agree though, that ccp could arrange it that your clone is transfered to the nearest usable cloningstation.

1. Yes. This entices you to risk a citadel.
2. This falls under trust. Not only do you have to consider someone trying to scam you, but you also have to ask yourself, "Do I trust this guy not to go AFK and let his citadel run out of fuel?"
3. No you're not. You can use NPC stations just fine.

Obviously not. A clone is not an "asset". You can neither transport or sell/buy it. OP was dumb to leave a clone in a place out of her control and now blames CCP for it.

A clone is obviously an asset. Also, you can sell and buy them. It happens all the time. Clones have value, and replacement value. Learn to Eve, bra.


Not related to your post, the trust argument is nonsensical, since by that reasoning, asset safety should not exist at all.

Edit: It's actually Rule 8 of the Character Bazaar:

Items cannot be listed among the character's valuable assets, only skills, implants and reputation. You are buying/selling the character ONLY and nothing else. Ships and items can be readily bought or sold on the market for ISK.

So, according to CCP, skills, implants, and reputation are assets. So I mean if you want to argue that her clone isn't an asset, you'd have to take the position that the implants are separate from the clone, in which case, you should have no problem with the implants being asset safetied, but the clone being left to languish.

Actually, I'm sure that'd be an acceptable solution for all involved :p

There is no free lunch. If you want the benefits that citadels offer for clone storage, then that entails risk. If you don't want the risk, then use NPC stations and lose the benefits. Sounds like every other part of EVE to me.

I actually agree with scipper here.

No asset safety got me very exited back in the day. The citadels would have felt more like your shack far in the void that you must defend when some dude comes knocking or you would lose your ship and the shack. Now its just the value of the shack while you can just courier your stuff somewhere by paying the loot fairy a small fee while she keeps your stuff safely in her trunk.

I got alot of crap I can keep around without any worry of actually losing it. Worst case is I just find them at some borderline highsec system

Dont get me wrong i do understand why CCP added the asset safety, but the 15% magic courier cost is bit low as it does not feel like I should be worried about if a station I got stuff in goes boom

For the 2 narrow minded posters.

Just how many players do you think would use Citadels to live out of without asset safety?
I would bet every asset i own neither of you would.

Falcen, I think you might want to go have a look at how asset safety works. Your stuff won't end up in "some highsec station" unless it originates in highsec. Best case IF you live in nul, it will end up in some random Nul NPC station. If you live in lowsec, it will go to the nearest Lowsec NPC station.

Scipio - There is a big difference in losing a clone because you can't defend your citadel and losing one because the owner leaves the game.

Asset safety is there because CCP decided thats what it would take to move industrialists into citadels completely. As well they're removing outposts in which assets are immune though possibly stuck for eternity, and you might say its a fair trade.

Players at first used citadel clone services because it was easy and often cheaper. Now that everyone is realizing how dangerous it is players are stopping use of them which is the opposite of what CCP wants.