Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I stand corrected. Looking at the price and the stats post-tiericide they're a lot more attractive of an option than they used to be, though still fairly niche since you're getting around 1/3rd the benefit of most of the smalls.

So, first off, "why not" is not a reasoning for something to be done in game. You need an actual reasoning for a change to be made because the current state of the game is the default.

Also no, 1600s are "XL plates" if you look at the comparison in HP values you'll find that 800 plates are roughly equivalent to Large Shield Extenders. That makes 1600 plates the XL armor equivalent.

CCP has specifically shot down XL shield extenders, them not being in the game is intentional and part of the differences between shield and armor tanking.

Oversized prop mods are OP on anything that can fit them without trading off too much, and there's little point to adding a set of modules where the only class that can use them at all mostly or entirely can't fit them, and based on the relative CPU and PG requirements for oversized mods on other hulls the only Battleships that might be able to pull it off are Marauders and you'd likely still need fitting mods and maybe even undersized guns.

The Cap Battery thing has been discussed at length in this thread and while I'm not sure it would be OP I suspect the fitting requirements would make them niche at best and completely unused at worst.

tbh, I hardly ever want an overrsized prop mod on a ship with turrets... cause, you know, tracking issues. However, this does, by default, give launcher fitted ships something of a psuedo-OP level advantage... which is mitigated to a small-ish extent by how much you do have to sacrifice to fit that oversized prop mod (especially if your doing it when an MWD instead of an AB). And, yes, I do speak from some small experience on this, as one of my favored past times is making ships that go ZOOM! lol.

In this respect though, I think that having oversized-able options for BS would be a good option for adding more variety to the game, since smaller ship classes get this option by default, but due to the immense fitting requirements of cap mods, BS are incapable of it.

Is there room for abouse? DUH! It's Eve! Even when we report a glitch that isn't yet declared an exploit, we abuse it till it is so declared! That isn't a good reason to NOT do it! Is it liable to be a 'niche' thing? DUH! That's an expected 'feature' of playing Eve Online, that there is such a wonderful variety of niche fits! This shouldn't be a reason to not do it... if anything, it should be all the more reason to push it through!

Variety is most definately the spice of life in our beloved MMO!

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Use it like a lazor brawler. Just need a cap booster. You don't expect to live long enough to burn trough all the charges anyway. Ships with % resist bonus tend to do better as buffer brick tanks instead active, so you are using this cap mainly for guns. If you try to make an active tanked laser boat that becomes a problem.. Problem you can solve with a billion or 2, but why would you throw 2 bil on an abaddon.

There is a rig that decreases cap use for guns. I'm 94% sure there is a combination of cap battery/cap recharger/ rig that makes even a capacitor black hole like the abaddon somewhat stable.

In PvP, I agree, overall... also, it's not hard, if your not running an active tank, to address the cap draw of the lasers by themselves.

but in PvE, you pretty much require an active tank. And that's when everyone has to pretty much throw the poor 'baddon into the trash heap.

I can fit an oversized AB on just about any T1 ship from Frig to BC, it only gets iffy if I'm trying to run an oversized MWD, but even then, there are options.

Ok, gents, let's not devolve this into an epeen measuring contest (cause mine is bigger!) Take your frustrations out by commenting against each other in creative ways that involve the thread's intended content!

That and how much else though, and how usable is the fit in PvP?

Generally speaking the answer is "not much" outside of bump ships and a few niche fits like the T3Ds. For the most part oversized prop mod fits that are actually usable are rare because they're so punishing on fittings.



I have never "made up" anything, if you follow the "Dev Posts" button up there and watch the fanfest and Eve Vegas videos you two can have half a clue what's been said by the devs. Generally I can even site a source for this stuff, which you'd know if you'd seen half the stuff I've posted in the last few months.

Since you're claiming I'm not citing or misinterpreting sources here do you by chance have an example handy? I'm kinda betting not but I'm always happy to be proven wrong.

Also yes, I do have a little bit more insight than the average player, having gone to school for Game Design and having a fair number of friends in the field. This means I can generally put a fair guess to how CCP are balancing something or when they're going to stick to a rule or break it selectively. I've been wrong before certainly, but I'm right more often than not.



It's an XL mod. An 800 plate has about the same HP bonus as an LSE. Not all Size + 1 mods are hard to fit. Cap Batteries are generally somewhat lenient, prop mods are anything but, tank mods tend to be very lenient. You can get a Medium Shield Extender on a Frigate easily for example.



I could, but I'm not particularly interested in answering rhetorical questions so you can nit-pick my answers and word choice and generally mock me. You're certainly not interested in an intelligent debate here, you're just interested in throwing out insults, and frankly that's not really worth my time.

Oh, I will say this though, I never said that oversized prop mods were *always* OP, I said that they're OP on anything that can fit them without trading away too much. These days that's pretty much limited to a few T3C fits and until the last round of nerfs some of the T3Ds.

You seem to be selectively reading what I'm writing and either jumping to conclusions I have specifically tried to avoid, or just not understanding what I'm saying.



You seem to have missed my point here a bit.

It's not that oversized prop mods would be inherently OP, it's that I suspect they'd either be OP or barely usable rather than an interesting choice, and neither is a desirable state for a module. Generally the whole point of oversized prop mods is that they require significant trade offs to fit effectively, and CCP have generally punished any hull or fit that manages to run one without that. Since Battleships are generally fairly tight on fitting after guns compared to smaller hulls it follows that the fittings on an oversized Battleship prop mod would be especially harsh since a Battleship has so much wiggle room and gains so much fitting space from fitting modules compared to what it's expected to fit outside of its guns.

I can't guarantee that there's no middle ground here without a lot of time and a spreadsheet, but unless you've done just that and have a set of stats all ready to present you can't know this is remotely viable either. You're guessing and getting pissy that someone disagrees with you.

I'm not going to share my pvp fits, b/c I don't want to, but I do have several fits that are pvp-oriented and make use of oversized prop mods that I feel do quite well.

That, and, this: I don't feel the need to provide any proof when requisted for my views when dealing with others who feel the same as well. You like to ask others to provide you with proof to their claims, yet consistently state how you can't be bothered to do the same.

I'm confused, are you asking to fit a capital cap battery on a BS?