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On Force

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Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#1 - 2017-05-05 19:06:17 UTC
"Molok, libeled as 'The Deceiver' by the false faith, was truer than any so-called 'True Amarr' follower of the corrupted throne squatters could ever be. He it was that understood the true nature of the universe. There is only one truth: power is all; naked, merciless force wielded by those with the will to grapple with it. - Omir Sarikusa

In all the inane ramblings of the Covenant, Omir Sarikusa finally understands the Truth. True Power comes from force.

The Amarr claim religion gives them the right to rule: But what happens when the lowly decide to throw off their shackles and rise up?

The Minmatar claim tribal allegiance: But what when the forgotten and left behind Tribes decide to seize their own destiny?

The Gallente claim cultural supremacy: But yet, what happens when humans decide to reject the hedonism?

The Caldari claim economic supremacy and meritocracy: But what happens when some one is slighted by the system?

Force is the only way to truly keep humans in line. Whether through deterrence, VITOC, TCMCs, or others.

Discuss.
Jason Galente
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#2 - 2017-05-05 19:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
That which makes one good at seizing power rarely makes them good governors and maintainers of power. It's a remarkable man that through the force of their personality and their ability to delegate to trusted advisers is good at both.

Force lets you grab power. You need trust to maintain it.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2017-05-05 19:19:26 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
The Minmatar claim tribal allegiance: But what when the forgotten and left behind Tribes decide to seize their own destiny?


Which 'forgotten and left behind Tribes'? The Thukker, out in the Great Wildlands by their own choice? The Nefantar, who've been told that if they want to come home, they can, and those who've decided to have been given economic and social aid as they re-integrate? The Starkmanir, whose return from being thought dead was cause for ceelbreation across the Tribes, and who also are being given assistance in getting back on their feet and integrated into our society?

Which of those Tribes, all of whom have seats on the Tribal Council, equal to those of the Brutor, Krusial, Sebiestor, and Vheriokhor, are the 'forgotten and left behind Tribes' you speak of?
Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#4 - 2017-05-05 19:40:07 UTC
Flame baiting 101

Post a super generalised opener, referencing natural enemies of rival factions, and apparently making a tenious claim in the process. End with "discuss" to appear thought provoking, rather then just irksome.

5/10 for effort.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-05-05 21:29:56 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:

The Caldari claim economic supremacy and meritocracy: But what happens when some one is slighted by the system?

The real force comes with many, not one.

The State will prevail.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

James Syagrius
Reclamation
#6 - 2017-05-05 23:36:43 UTC
An interesting discussion.

There are many kinds of power.

The manifestation of some are obvious, others more opaque.

I have always held to the premise that the most enduring kind of power isn't seized, but accumulated.
Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-05-05 23:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusklit Thistle
The only way to royalty is regicide.

There just happens to be many ways to depose kings.

... and the greatest kings were those who avoided regicide most creatively.

Shady gentleman with a shady plan

Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
#8 - 2017-05-05 23:50:02 UTC
Low effort nonsense. Bring something more than a crayon drawing by a five year old to the table.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#9 - 2017-05-05 23:58:00 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
An interesting discussion.


At its heart, it isn't, though.

Power is a tool set, various means to various ends. As a goal in itself, it is empty, potential without purpose.

There's so much to the world, so much beauty and wonder. But those who understand power, and nothing else, who believe in power, and nothing else, focus on one very narrow truth and miss everything else.

There might be a more boring philosophy somewhere. If so, I haven't met it yet.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#10 - 2017-05-06 12:32:02 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
In all the inane ramblings of the Covenant, Omir Sarikusa finally understands the Truth. True Power comes from force.
Sarikusa should know better. True Power comes from Nation.
P
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-05-06 12:42:41 UTC
Be pious, and the Lord will give you strength!

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Sapphire Interstellar Banking Solutions.
#12 - 2017-05-06 14:46:59 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
"Molok, libeled as 'The Deceiver' by the false faith, was truer than any so-called 'True Amarr' follower of the corrupted throne squatters could ever be. He it was that understood the true nature of the universe. There is only one truth: power is all; naked, merciless force wielded by those with the will to grapple with it. - Omir Sarikusa

In all the inane ramblings of the Covenant, Omir Sarikusa finally understands the Truth. True Power comes from force.

The Amarr claim religion gives them the right to rule: But what happens when the lowly decide to throw off their shackles and rise up?

The Minmatar claim tribal allegiance: But what when the forgotten and left behind Tribes decide to seize their own destiny?

The Gallente claim cultural supremacy: But yet, what happens when humans decide to reject the hedonism?

The Caldari claim economic supremacy and meritocracy: But what happens when some one is slighted by the system?

Force is the only way to truly keep humans in line. Whether through deterrence, VITOC, TCMCs, or others.

Discuss.



What are we to discuss? Evolution?
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
M.A.D. Consortium
#13 - 2017-05-06 19:16:30 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Be pious, and the Lord will give you strength!


That would be the perception of strength.

Faith on the other hand can be one set source of strength.

Good topic Vlad.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.

Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#14 - 2017-05-06 19:26:11 UTC
Shut up, Vlad.

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2017-05-06 19:44:14 UTC
There is a saying, "As strength goes all follow."

Realize there is many types of strength and many forms of following.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2017-05-06 21:21:53 UTC
Force, is nothing.

Force is nothing, without guidance, control.

Bloody Omir's failing is that he wields excessive force, but fails to mold it to his wishes.

Sansha too, is clueless, even if he has better systems for control. He dashes himself against the stones of CONCORD in a manner that's doomed to endless failure.

Fatal and Rabbit have much force and little control. Sarpati has great control, but little force.

I do know of one organization that excels in the proper utilization of great force and control systems.

And for the past century...they are never far.


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#17 - 2017-05-06 21:56:03 UTC
James Syagrius
Reclamation
#18 - 2017-05-07 01:31:44 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
An interesting discussion.
At its heart, it isn't, though.

Power is a tool set, various means to various ends. As a goal in itself, it is empty, potential without purpose.
There's so much to the world, so much beauty and wonder. But those who understand power, and nothing else, who believe in power, and nothing else, focus on one very narrow truth and miss everything else.

There might be a more boring philosophy somewhere. If so, I haven't met it yet.
Most discussions are pointless to those who have nothing to learn. Or worse yet, know everything. Of course, there are those who disagree too… well, disagree.

Power is seldom accumulated for its own sake. It is a tool nothing more, like wealth or skill, a means to an end. To protect a thing, or to protect against a thing, equally necessary.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and wonder… can be caused by many things.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#19 - 2017-05-07 02:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
James Syagrius wrote:
Power is seldom accumulated for its own sake. It is a tool nothing more, like wealth or skill, a means to an end. To protect a thing, or to protect against a thing, equally necessary.


I gather you haven't met the Sani Sabik previously, Mr. Syagrius, at least not in a context to talk philosophy. The fact that Sani Sabik practice is legal in the Federation might be one of your society's more serious mistakes.

There's a lot of variety but a core thread runs through pretty much all of it (excepting a very few far-flung offshoots like Mr. Nauplius's cult):

"Power Matters." Actually, the way they usually cast it is more (to paraphrase the theme of Mr. Cete's post), "Power is All."

From Blood Raiders to arguably-innocuous self-improvers, this thread runs throughout. As does the focus on this insight, to the exclusion of, usually, all others.

It's not completely wrong. Actually in its more limited form ("power matters"), it's ... well, just true. But it's also a horribly limited and actually kind of awful insight if it's the only one you have.

I don't dislike the Sani Sabik because they're wrong; they're not, really, at least about that. I dislike them because they're horrendously obsessed with a single jagged shard of reality, and most of them, instead of noting the truth they've found and moving on, just sort of cluster around it cutting themselves (and other people) on its edges and congratulating themselves over what a wonderful, shiny, sharp find they've made.

The best among them do really, truly understand power, though. Just, maybe, not much else.

If you don't yet know Mr. Cetes very well, I invite you to get to know him. He's not so much typical as, well. Maybe kind of archetypal? And pretty extremely transhuman, if he is what he appears/claims to be.

There are so many truths in this world. This one won't suffer for having a little less attention paid to it.
James Syagrius
Reclamation
#20 - 2017-05-08 01:15:07 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Power is seldom accumulated for its own sake. It is a tool nothing more, like wealth or skill, a means to an end. To protect a thing, or to protect against a thing, equally necessary.


I gather you haven't met the Sani Sabik previously, Mr. Syagrius, at least not in a context to talk philosophy. The fact that Sani Sabik practice is legal in the Federation might be one of your society's more serious mistakes.
Ironicly the same argument has been directed at me regarding the Amarrian faith Ms. Jenneth.

Now your religious proclivities are your own, I understand but considering whom you serve.... Many things are allowed in the Federation, after a fashion, and within the law.
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