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"PLEX can no longer be used for Character transfer fee payments"

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#1 - 2017-05-05 16:00:44 UTC
From the patchnotes for 2017-05-09: https://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-119.5-release/

Is this going to be a temporary thing, CCP, or will this be permanent? This is no small game-changer for people using the Character Bazaar.
CCP Falcon
#2 - 2017-05-05 16:33:08 UTC
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile

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Cristl
#3 - 2017-05-05 16:47:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile
Well, his question was basically: "Is this a temporary or permanent change?".

So I'm going to have to suggest that, no, you haven't answered it :patronising-smiley-here:
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2017-05-05 16:50:41 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile



Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Minty Aroma
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-05-05 17:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Minty Aroma
Seeing as this is such an enormous change that has come straight out of the blue with little warning when people have multiple accounts training up to sell their characters on, some of which for many months, would it not be worth keeping the current PLEX in game too costing 500 nuPLEX to allow character transfers?

At least until this issue is fixed - many people rely on PLEX to exchange trained characters as they cannot afford real money transfer fees.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#6 - 2017-05-05 17:08:35 UTC
Honestly CCP that is not cool. I dont transfer toons around much but not giving that plex option isnt a smart move imo.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

StepSister
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-05-05 17:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: StepSister
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile


THEY BROKE IT MESSING WITH THINGS NONE OF THEM TRULY UNDERSTAND


surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it.
....was this one of fozzies ideas..


had to ask!!
Minty Aroma
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2017-05-05 17:13:36 UTC
StepSister wrote:
TL:DR
surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it.
....was this one of fozzies ideas..


had to ask!!


Chances are this was marketing, not a developer's idea as it's a way to gain more from micro-transactions.
Niraia
Starcakes
#9 - 2017-05-05 17:15:42 UTC
lol

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-05-05 17:16:08 UTC
I thought April was last month? This has be a joke right? Shocked Feel bad for the character bazaar sellers right now. This surely is a soon to be drama filled thread.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#11 - 2017-05-05 17:22:02 UTC
Johnathan Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-05-05 17:36:52 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile



I really do not feel like this is a good answer. It is neither a no or a yes. This is a yes or no question.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#13 - 2017-05-05 17:41:10 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile



Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?


Can't really say I blame them. Look at how unreasonable people usually are around here. They probably figured people are gonna ***** no matter what they say or how well they try to explain what went wrong. Either that or they figured most of us are not making character transfers left, right, and center all that often enough for a few days notice to not be fair enough.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#14 - 2017-05-05 17:42:32 UTC
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#15 - 2017-05-05 17:42:50 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.

The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.

Hope this answers your question Smile

I've held off on replying until now because I didn't think I would be able to remain civil enough, but I believe I can do so now.

Honestly, this feels like another of the half-baked changes that get put out, with a promise of fixing it at some undetermined point in the future, but with said point being (frequently) literal years away.

Losing the ability to pay for character transfers with PLEX is a significant change. It may only affect a small subset of the EVE population, but for that subset, this is basically a "game-ending" change. I'm not trying to imply that I expect people to quit over this, but rather than it basically removes that form of gameplay from the game.

It is, admittedly, just a small subset of the population who use it, but over the last few years, it seems that these are the changes we've been receiving: small changes that have severe negative impacts on small subsets of the population, frequently ending or nearly ending that particular style of play. Each individual change may only affect a small number of people on its own, but collectively, these changes are adding up, and a larger portion of the playerbase is being affected.

I may not be an active user of the Character Bazaar, only ever using the transfer system to move characters around on my own accounts (which are pretty much how I want them now), but I'm looking at this in light of Martin Niemoller's "First they came for..." poem, and I'll add my voice to any call to reimplement this feature.

I'm going to urge you, CCP, to please make it a priority to get this functionality back into the game as soon as possible. It may only affect a small subset of players, but each time a change comes through that removes a small part of the game, the subset of players affected grows.
Kinga Artrald
Radioactive Industry Division
#16 - 2017-05-05 17:47:51 UTC
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?
Bjorn Tyrson
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2017-05-05 17:59:33 UTC
Kinga Artrald wrote:
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?


20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2017-05-05 18:06:56 UTC
that seems like a pretty big woopsie

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2017-05-05 18:15:59 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Kinga Artrald wrote:
This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?


20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP


Except https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69fjeq/plex_can_no_longer_be_used_for_character_transfer/dh6c5a7/?context=3

I already explained it there.
Paying cash for character transfers is going to be uncommon, and even it it is common - it means money into their wallet.
Plex is already in the economy, when you use it for a character transfer, you're simply removing the plex from the eve economy.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2017-05-05 18:16:15 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.
That's what you are going with? Seriously?

"We broke it and so we're just not going to tell you."

So lame.

Mr Epeen Cool
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