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Cool It With the ISK Sinks

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2017-05-04 16:49:41 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
lol economists
like weather reporters, they don't get fired for being wrong, in fact they shore up their credibility by explaining to ten decimal places what else happened other than what they predicted.
Money is a form of rationing.
What amazes me is how the economy doesn't grind to a halt with everybody having three of everything, the resources spawn most days and no way is the ship/structure loss covering all that.



The decimal places just show the economists have a sense of humor. P

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Fish Hunter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2017-05-04 17:01:22 UTC
EVE is probably experiencing slight mudflation right now. Everything is overproduced to a significant amount and market prices slowly fall. Meanwhile the rare unique items that you can no longer attain except through players constantly rise in value.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#43 - 2017-05-04 17:19:59 UTC
Nardos Tatio wrote:


Unwilling and unaccepted PVP is not part of a modern mmog.....it was 14 years ago but we have 2017......

Time for a change.....


No, it is not. Go away.
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
#44 - 2017-05-04 17:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Scialt
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#45 - 2017-05-04 17:35:12 UTC
for an established character it is pretty easy to make 100m-200m/hr. All that income -> plex prices go up, also unique ship/item prices

massive null empires collecting more moon goo than we can blow up -> long run t2 price deflation
tons of mining -> mineral deflation
tons of ratting -> meta mod deflation, salvage deflation
tons of escalations -> dead space mod deflation
tons of pi -> commodity deflation


I almost feel like it makes more sense to say we have material/item inflation,

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SupaL33tH4x0r Regime
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#46 - 2017-05-04 19:05:57 UTC
why not, lets just whip the market and everyone clean of items and start from scratch while we're at it
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#47 - 2017-05-04 20:05:07 UTC
SupaL33tH4x0r Regime wrote:
why not, lets just whip the market and everyone clean of items and start from scratch while we're at it

That would lose most of the playerbase all at once. Mostly the ones which really didn't care about accumulating wealth at all would stick around, and there aren't too many of those.

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Rin Vocaloid2
DUST University
#48 - 2017-05-04 20:13:46 UTC
In a way, seeing the supply of ISK go flat is somewhat good. It means ISK is kept under control for now. Of course, that will likely change since capsuleers are always clever enough to figure out how to turn that around.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#49 - 2017-05-04 21:01:02 UTC
TL;DR

EVE needs more things to go pop...
Not enough popping going on here...
EVE is too safe....
EVE is dying(TM)...
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#50 - 2017-05-04 21:02:42 UTC
SupaL33tH4x0r Regime wrote:
why not, lets just wipe the market and everyone clean of items and start from scratch while we're at it



You mean invent ISK that's not in the game to buy crap from players who build it with stuff from in the game?
Talk about a major new ISK faucet...
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#51 - 2017-05-04 23:33:21 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
One thing that keeps popping up in various sub-fora is the notion that we need more ISK sinks. I find this amazing in that it suggests that the people making these posts are not looking at the economic reports that CCP Quant publishes each month.

It's all part of the Carebear elite's plan.

More ISK sinks = less ISK in people's wallets = more people whining when they get blown up = more calls for gank nerfs.

As with all Carebear plans, the people it hurts the most are themselves, but they can't see the forest for the trees.

Drain the swamp of the Carebear elite's and make EVE great again.

Shaetads for CSM!



I saw it as easier isk earning with independent industry groups that don't use market materials to produce, People still need ships. EVE losing ganking would probably be the first step to death.


I also don't know words I've never had to use. At least I've seen superlative before.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2017-05-05 02:35:14 UTC
What are isk sinks? .-._.-_.->..>>>p-.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2017-05-05 02:52:50 UTC
Jordan Rin wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Drain the swamp of the Carebear elite's and make EVE great again.


Shae, you have succeeded!

I am not an "elite" of anything, but I do not care about PvP at all. So I guess I fit your definition of carebear.

My annual subscription will expire soon (on my main) and I will not be renewing.
Because of you and likes of you!

Never cared about isk, just wanted some fun with spaceships.

You are one step closer to making Eve great again. Keep up the good work!

What does believing in pvp have to do with being a Carebear?

Plenty of PVEers are not Carebears and plenty of PVPers are. PVE v PVP isn't what defines a Carebear.

However take responsibility for your decision to not continue your subscription. That's great for you and everyone's right to make that choice. Nothing to be ashamed of and no ones else should really claim success for that. I don't even know who you are, so I feel a bit unworthy of the praise. However, not wanting to disappoint, thanks anyway.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#54 - 2017-05-05 04:10:40 UTC
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Unwilling and unaccepted PVP is not part of a modern mmog.....it was 14 years ago but we have 2017......


You explicitly and willingly consent to pvp engagements when you click 'undock'.

Why do people not understand this one, small, simple thing.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#55 - 2017-05-05 04:44:43 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Unwilling and unaccepted PVP is not part of a modern mmog.....it was 14 years ago but we have 2017......


You explicitly and willingly consent to pvp engagements when you click 'undock'.

Why do people not understand this one, small, simple thing.


They do understand it, they don't like it and think if they complain enough it will change. The last 14 years of evidence that it won't means zero to folks like that.
Salvos Rhoska
#56 - 2017-05-05 06:30:07 UTC
Havent Upwell structures had a significant impact on NPC taxes/fees as an isk sink?

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#57 - 2017-05-05 06:47:24 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
One thing that keeps popping up in various sub-fora is the notion that we need more ISK sinks. I find this amazing in that it suggests that the people making these posts are not looking at the economic reports that CCP Quant publishes each month.

It's all part of the Carebear elite's plan.

More ISK sinks = less ISK in people's wallets = more people whining when they get blown up = more calls for gank nerfs.

As with all Carebear plans, the people it hurts the most are themselves, but they can't see the forest for the trees.

Drain the swamp of the Carebear elite's and make EVE great again.

Shaetads for CSM!


I rather see a forest cut down then have to deal with ONE wolf......

Unwilling and unaccepted PVP is not part of a modern mmog.....it was 14 years ago but we have 2017......

Time for a change.....

You accept PvP when you click undock. If you have an issue with that, Singularity is open for you.




I see the indoctrination programme is still in full swing....

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Salvos Rhoska
#58 - 2017-05-05 06:49:49 UTC
Cool it with the "Vote for me" trashposts.

CSM elections came and went.
You missed the boat.

Stick to topic.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2017-05-05 07:32:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cool it with the "Vote for me" trashposts.

CSM elections came and went.
You missed the boat.

Stick to topic.

Your post is off topic.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Salvos Rhoska
#60 - 2017-05-05 08:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cool it with the "Vote for me" trashposts.

CSM elections came and went.
You missed the boat.

Stick to topic.

Your post is off topic.


Is it?
Then so are yours.

Make up your mind, my dear.

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