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Jarr Kaleb
#81 - 2017-04-08 17:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
Karin Yang wrote:
Jarr Kaleb wrote:


But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful.


Moac Tor wrote:
pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system.
This is exactly why I linked that. That information may help people who can't use PVT's free hauling service and\or need to move their stuff from other systems\NPC stations.
Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
#82 - 2017-04-09 22:21:53 UTC
Exciting times for the Planet V / Offshore consortium, I look forward to rendering any assistance that I can. Any fellow capsuleers who have some stake in an expanding market governed by performance and not protectionism please consider docking a solid PvP ship or two in the next active market hub.

Further, Moac, do you know if the intra-system hauling service has the turnaround time to move assets in the hours leading up to citadel timers exiting reinforcement? I will lend a freighter or two if need.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#83 - 2017-04-10 10:54:04 UTC
Mision Realizado wrote:
Exciting times for the Planet V / Offshore consortium, I look forward to rendering any assistance that I can. Any fellow capsuleers who have some stake in an expanding market governed by performance and not protectionism please consider docking a solid PvP ship or two in the next active market hub.

Further, Moac, do you know if the intra-system hauling service has the turnaround time to move assets in the hours leading up to citadel timers exiting reinforcement? I will lend a freighter or two if need.

Hi Mision, thank you for your endorsement and support.

At the moment I am looking to aim for a 24 hour maximum turnaround time for the courier contracts. The period leading up to a new hub coming online is often time consuming, and as the courier contracts are public contracts, any help in accepting and hauling the contracts by freighter pilots willing to lend a hand will go a long way to help improve the level of service we can offer. You would just need to ensure that you have docking access to the pickup location and destination (which would be the case if transferring between Planet V Trade hubs), and ensure that the contract is between structures in the same system.

On a related subject, something which could be of interest to traders using our Planet V Trade hubs; I have been looking at setting up a low cost hauling service between all of our Planet V Trade hubs. The collateral would have to be much lower than the intra-system hauling, but it could be useful to anyone looking to move assets between our hub locations. Perhaps something for the future as we grow.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#84 - 2017-04-29 02:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Hello to friends and enemies alike,

I bring you all another update from the finest free trade market operation in New Eden.

Every day we are rallying more supporters to our cause, and have reached a level where the momentum seems to have snowballed Planet V into something much more than originally envisioned.

We now have a permanent presence in the four major trading regions; The Forge, Domain, Sinq Laison, and Metropolis.




Developing Free Trade Markets

In order to sustain and develop the operation long term, we have refined our strategy and will be making a couple of changes this Sunday.

In Ashab the public broker rate will be returning to 0.1%. The temporary 0.0% has been effective in putting pressure on the backers who support the extortion of high sec, and it is a good time now to raise this back to the standard 0.1% rate.

In The Forge as part of a long term strategy we have decided to keep a permanent 0% public rate at all of our hubs in the region. It is necessary to apply the maximum pressure here to those who are backing the enemies of free trade, and so for this reason we have no plans to change the rate here for the foreseeable future.

In the still developing market operation around Hek and Dodixie we are still refining the strategy and so will continue to offer a permanent 0% public broker rate.

We will also be increasing the amount required to obtain the permanent 0.0% rate to 100m ISK as opposed to the current 20m ISK. The 20m ISK rate was initially set very low in order to increase trade volume in our hubs and reward early supporters, and at 100m this will still offer great value whilst helping to support the investment needed to develop the service and provide free trade markets in the long term.

I'd like to thank everyone who has donated in support of the cause so far, and many who have donated well in excess of the 20m ISK required for the 0.0% rate. The donations and messages of support really help us motivated to keep this going.




Free Trade in The Forge

After a long battle in Perimeter against ICY and Pandemic Horde, we have decided it is no longer worth the continued time and investment in keeping a hub active in Perimeter, although we are still committed to providing a Planet V Trade market hub within one jump of Jita at all times.

Perimeter has been a great opportunity to push the citadel mechanics to their limits, and we have tested them to the extreme against an opponent who has had the utmost dedication to destroying all the competition in the system for their backers. I do not think there will be many that will be able to go to the lengths that Pandemic Horde have gone to, and so this was the perfect testing ground to forge a solid foundation to our operation.

The fact is that a hub can be placed at any location in the region within one jump of the market system, and so we need not limit ourselves to only one system when we can dramatically increase the pressure on our opponents by anchoring hubs in a number of possible locations. Perimeter was a battle with many good fights that will be forever remembered, although in the end it is just a small part of this great war.




This war we are fighting; the war for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers and extortion, has been a war of which many great battles have gone relatively unreported in the Eve media. I believe though that this is one of the great wars of our time. Together we can make sure history will remember this as the point at which the average capsuleer took a stand against the might of the null empires, and won.
Sophie Fumimasa
Doomheim
#85 - 2017-04-29 23:38:24 UTC
Hey Moac, thanks for the update. I have been lurking around, keeping an eye on the situation and was a big fan of what you were doing. But your latest updates prompts me to question your motives to be honest.
You state free trade and then you put the public broker fee up? Well my trade isn't free anymore then is it? and whilst I get that you have costs to cover duping me into moving my trading into your citadel and then upping the broker fee, that seems like something you say the enemy of free trade would do and that annoys me greatly. Are you here to help traders have somewhere to trade or are you here to line your own pocket? You state that the war is for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers or extortion and yet you put the fee up to access your 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m, a quintuple increase. I'm questioning if I am supporting the right side in this as so far you have done exactly what you say the other side will do.
CoachFeratu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2017-04-30 00:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CoachFeratu
Sophie Fumimasa wrote:
Hey Moac, thanks for the update. I have been lurking around, keeping an eye on the situation and was a big fan of what you were doing. But your latest updates prompts me to question your motives to be honest.
You state free trade and then you put the public broker fee up? Well my trade isn't free anymore then is it? and whilst I get that you have costs to cover duping me into moving my trading into your citadel and then upping the broker fee, that seems like something you say the enemy of free trade would do and that annoys me greatly. Are you here to help traders have somewhere to trade or are you here to line your own pocket? You state that the war is for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers or extortion and yet you put the fee up to access your 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m, a quintuple increase. I'm questioning if I am supporting the right side in this as so far you have done exactly what you say the other side will do.


They increased the broker fee? are you sure, is this for everybody? maybe it's just your corp I doubt they'd increase it across the board, they might be putting a tax on people helping phorde?

Edit, nvm just checked and I'm seeing it too, and I checked on alts, this is crap, these guys are just are doing exactly what they claim to be trying to stop
Tim Gemulus
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2017-04-30 01:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Gemulus
People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!

I went into the Planet V chat channel today to ask some questions in regards to the latest update, voice some concerns etc. Rather than provide any sort of official response at all I was instead quietly banned from the channel without any answers or explanation.
Why is Moac Tor hiding all of a sudden? He has provided an update which has increased broker fees everywhere except The Forge. He has increased the fee to get the 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m in a single stroke.
Is this not the same sort of thing that he stated Pandemic Horde would do?

It appears that Moac Tor is not in it to provide a free trade structure for the benefit of all traders but instead to line his own pockets with the tax and fee ISK.

I ask you, to all those that supported Moac and Planet V Trade, is this the sort of person you want running your structures? Overnight he has increased the barrier to getting 0.0% rates by increasing the "donation" required from 20m to 100m. I post here stating that it is an extortion fee. He encourages you to pay this fee to access a 0.0% rate but if it was truly a donation, then why not have a public 0.0% rate and ask for donations? Why basically force larger traders to pay him to access this rate? (Otherwise what is stopping them using other structures?)

I asked some of these questions in his channel and was met with silence from Moac and then booted from the channel.
So I ask them here, along with this. Moac Tor, do you have some other motive to hide? Are you unwilling to answer these questions because you cannot justify them under your previous arguments for a free trade structure?

Oh and one final question. How can you state that you have won against null sec when you have pulled out of Perimeter and admitted that you cannot keep a structure alive in that system?
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#88 - 2017-04-30 01:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
CoachFeratu wrote:
Edit, nvm just checked and I'm seeing it too, and I checked on alts, this is crap, these guys are just are doing exactly what they claim to be trying to stop

We have been experiencing a number of pandemic horde alts spamming our channels, although if you are genuine would you be able to post screenshots of the increased broker fee? We have not actually put it back to 0.1% in Ashab yet, and also it is still only 20 million ISK to receive the 0% broker fee for life.

As much as I would like to, I unfortunately cannot run the operation at 0% permanently as it does cost a lot to maintain it with having to replace the lost hubs.

Also bear in mind, our enemies have stated that they plan on charging 0.5% and above, and it is only because of our dedicated team investing a lot of their personal ISK and time into the Planet V Trade operation that we have managed to stop them. It still never ceases to amaze me the benevolence of the people I have met during this journey.

Also it is worth mentioning; in the opening post it is stated that we will never increase the public broker fee above 0.1%, and the 0.0% supporters rate will always remain at 0.0% for life.

Our core principles have and never will change. The 0.0% public rate has always been clearly advertised as a temporary rate in both the MOTD and in this thread, although I fully expect that the enemies of Free Trade will try to spin this.
Jarr Kaleb
#89 - 2017-04-30 02:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
Tim Gemulus wrote:
People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!
Gobbins, please re-login. Roll
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/

Tim Gemulus wrote:
I went into the Planet V chat channel today to ask some questions in regards to the latest update, voice some concerns etc. Rather than provide any sort of official response at all I was instead quietly banned from the channel without any answers or explanation.
If I had rights I'd also ban you. It's not the first time you're spamming the channel. You talked to Moac twice or thrise during previous months and got all your questions answered.

I'm amazed that Moac still wastes his time replying to yet another spam from butthurt Pandemic Horde alt.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2017-04-30 06:29:05 UTC
Tim Gemulus wrote:

I ask you, to all those that supported Moac and Planet V Trade, is this the sort of person you want running your structures?

Yes.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Lewis Alton-Hastur
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2017-04-30 09:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lewis Alton-Hastur
Tim Gemulus wrote:
People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!
...

There is not much to say, what hasn't already been said to your post. Maybe just one thing, some ppl can read, some ppl can't.
If you would have been in the channel, you would have seen all the announcements.
So either you have not been in the channel or you were not able to read what was written there, your choice Blink.

BTW: did you eve build a structure? Ever checked what it costs to operate it?
I do not ask Moac to provide a free service to me, and who ever does might approach some bigger group. Maybe Pandemic will in the future? Lol Oh, not that I would believe in this, but .....
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2017-05-01 01:57:02 UTC
Tim Gemulus wrote:
People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!



Sindri Oksaras? Is that you? Monitoring perimeter dscan with macro, well played ph.
Jeronica
Tackled In Belt
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
#93 - 2017-05-02 16:51:29 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
CoachFeratu wrote:
Edit, nvm just checked and I'm seeing it too, and I checked on alts, this is crap, these guys are just are doing exactly what they claim to be trying to stop

We have been experiencing a number of pandemic horde alts spamming our channels, although if you are genuine would you be able to post screenshots of the increased broker fee? We have not actually put it back to 0.1% in Ashab yet, and also it is still only 20 million ISK to receive the 0% broker fee for life.

As much as I would like to, I unfortunately cannot run the operation at 0% permanently as it does cost a lot to maintain it with having to replace the lost hubs.

Also bear in mind, our enemies have stated that they plan on charging 0.5% and above, and it is only because of our dedicated team investing a lot of their personal ISK and time into the Planet V Trade operation that we have managed to stop them. It still never ceases to amaze me the benevolence of the people I have met during this journey.

Also it is worth mentioning; in the opening post it is stated that we will never increase the public broker fee above 0.1%, and the 0.0% supporters rate will always remain at 0.0% for life.

Our core principles have and never will change. The 0.0% public rate has always been clearly advertised as a temporary rate in both the MOTD and in this thread, although I fully expect that the enemies of Free Trade will try to spin this.


Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.

I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!

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Jarr Kaleb
#94 - 2017-05-02 19:55:24 UTC
Jeronica wrote:
Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.

I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!
Gobbins also dreams about trillions off the citadels markets. You two together make a good pair. Smile
Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
#95 - 2017-05-02 23:31:42 UTC
Getting through all the PH leaflets, I am pleased to cover any active brokers with the 20 Million ISK entry so we can start trading again without any further drama or sweat. I have toggled notifications. :)

OP stipulates that the 0.1% fee is opt-out ( thanks to heavy third party support ) and said fee can make the difference on day trading's first hour. But if you are new to Trade, or like I, have only just finished training some of the intermediate marketing skills, every additional opportunity to realize savings on the market is appreciated and timely.

Because I am only in game during my timezone, please ping on this thread with any questions and look forward to joining you all in the in-game chat channel. o7
Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
#96 - 2017-05-02 23:36:59 UTC
Jeronica wrote:


Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.

I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!


I was just reviewing the Perimeter 'secured' info tab, and am grateful that our rivals allow docking and trading for a competitive rate. We can co-exist, Jeronica, as long as both sides treat market hubs as patient ISK fountains, not pump up fees as the POCOs adjacent would dictate.
Jarr Kaleb
#97 - 2017-05-03 05:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.

In case you aren't familiar with the markets in Sinq Laison -

There are local thugs\extortionists - DevilBear that claim to represent all the markets in Sinq Laison (Dodixie hub region). DevilBear thugs are forcing traders to use 'right' hubs, and sending threats if traders are using 'wrong' hubs.

Recently, the thugs were sending these mails to all traders that were docked in Sinq Laison Planet V Trade Hub. To see if IChooseYou traders are also getting the same threatment I docked my alts in ICY hub for a couple of days... and as expected I didn't get any threats\emails.

DevilBear thugs seem to ignore IChooseYou hub for some reason, targeting only traders that are docked in Planet V Trade hub.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#98 - 2017-05-03 11:00:56 UTC
Mision Realizado wrote:
Getting through all the PH leaflets, I am pleased to cover any active brokers with the 20 Million ISK entry so we can start trading again without any further drama or sweat. I have toggled notifications. :)

OP stipulates that the 0.1% fee is opt-out ( thanks to heavy third party support ) and said fee can make the difference on day trading's first hour. But if you are new to Trade, or like I, have only just finished training some of the intermediate marketing skills, every additional opportunity to realize savings on the market is appreciated and timely.

Because I am only in game during my timezone, please ping on this thread with any questions and look forward to joining you all in the in-game chat channel. o7

Also worth mentioning, if we replace a market hub then it will always be listed at flat 0% broker fee for at least a full seven days to allow people to relist their orders at no charge.
Jeronica
Tackled In Belt
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
#99 - 2017-05-03 14:09:25 UTC
Jarr Kaleb wrote:
Jeronica wrote:
Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.

I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!
Gobbins also dreams about trillions off the citadels markets. You two together make a good pair. Smile


To the sky we gooooooooooo!!

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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Holdings
#100 - 2017-05-03 14:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: IChooseYou
Jarr Kaleb wrote:
It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.


Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.

In any event, thanks for the free advertisement. Everyone, feel free to use my dodixie hub! It is at 0.0%, as are all my non-perimeter hubs.