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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
#61 - 2017-05-02 16:52:50 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.


Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#62 - 2017-05-02 17:03:45 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.



I dont need wardecs to kill people in highsec

I lable you a whiner because you are one.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#63 - 2017-05-02 17:21:06 UTC
Hello Cern Audeles, it's great to have an opportunity to chat with you.

I can relate to your issues very well and I have proposed an idea that will help people to avoid wardecs and get a different perspective of the game. This involves becoming NPC while you gain this new perspective. After the new perspective is gained you could go back to joining or creating a corp and fighting a wardec and have a higher chance of survival and prosperity.

Please find the link to my thread here: The NPC Project

Comms and chat channels will be provided and we will generally build trust with each other and learn more about the game without the threat of a wardec. A corp losing half a billion in one day is a difficult situation.

Please re-sub back to Omega, you and your corp mates should leave the corp and stay in an NPC corp where you will 100% be safe from wardecs. I'm expecting there to be lots of people involved so you will not be alone. There will be people organising regular PVE and PVP ops. You and your corp could operate within the NPC project, build your skills and then go back to fighting wardecs.

I am very excited about all of this and the start to this venture is imminent. I look forward to chatting with you soon. if not good luck.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#64 - 2017-05-02 17:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Beast of Revelations wrote:
So dumb. Such a lack of creative thinking (if such easy to figure out stuff could even be called that). I guess this is the ADHD thing with kids with 0 attention spans furiously typing into handheld devices and wanting everything handed to them.


You know *nothing* about either of us beyond that we are paying customers like yourselves, who enjoy the game, but feel there should be an improvement or alternative community tool allowing friends to stay together with out being war decced.



I disagree that there is no mechanic that allows people to avoid wardec's when there blatantly is. Being NPC allows you to avoid a wardec. I think many of us are caught up in a psychological barrier that makes us think being in a corp is the be all and end all to everything.

My previous post here contained a link to my thread that details the particulars for The NPC project. Yes we have to create our own communication network and community tools. In my opinion this is a small price to pay to have immunity from wardecs.

You might complain about the tax rate of being in an NPC corp, all I would say is compare that to your corps losses today which I believe was 500 million.

I know it is hard leaving a corp behind, the corp has been around for 13 years which I admire, It might be time for everyone to leave the corp and put an alt as CEO then put the corp on ice for a period of time while you and your buddies regroup into an NPC corp and gain a new perspective, by all means get your buddies to rejoin the corp once you have this new perspective and fight the good fight.

My proposal for The NPC Project could be interesting. There may be lots of CEO's among us who will later go on to leading corps and have other CEO's and their corps allied with them. So please try to look at this as a "regrouping" in a wrestling match which means you're just stepping out of the arena for a while and conferring with your friends and once you have a solid plan of action you're stepping back into the area and fighting. This is a great opportunity to network with others and work out a plan to fight the common fight.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2017-05-02 18:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.


Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game.


DMC
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#66 - 2017-05-02 18:47:36 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.


Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game.


DMC

Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2017-05-02 19:20:53 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.

Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen.


DMC
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2017-05-02 19:30:26 UTC
I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.

-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.

-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.

-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.

-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).

-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.

It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
#69 - 2017-05-02 19:46:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.

-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.

-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.

-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.

-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).

-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.

It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.


I have not DEMANDED anything.

The forums are a valid forum for discussing the game. I am sorry some of us bring up issues which you find upsetting.

Fine, I am doing it wrong. Thanks for all the hints.

I have not huffed and puffed, I have asked why the need for the insults and labelling. I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point.

Thank for calling my game play choice stupid. Its a game. Get over yourself. I am really pleased for you that you have found the ultimate true path to game efficiency in Eve Online. We cannot be all so blessed. Thank god there are players like you whose glory we can bask in.

Bonus : More insults and labels to other players who dare to take a different stance.

I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears.

Drama and fun so far!

To quote you, "This has all happened before, and it will happen again." Yes, quite right. Any time any one so much as suggests a different play style *might* be acceptable in the game the normal suspects appear to tell them they are whiners and stupid players for questioning an existing mechanic.

My position may be an extreme minority position, which will never be implemented. Fine. But why all the insults and labels? We are all gamers in a game together. We all want it to be a success for many many more years and to build on the 14 years the game has given us gaming entertainment.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#70 - 2017-05-02 19:55:25 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.

-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.

-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.

-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.

-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).

-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.

It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.


I have not DEMANDED anything.

The forums are a valid forum for discussing the game. I am sorry some of us bring up issues which you find upsetting.

Fine, I am doing it wrong. Thanks for all the hints.

I have not huffed and puffed, I have asked why the need for the insults and labelling. I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point.

Thank for calling my game play choice stupid. Its a game. Get over yourself. I am really pleased for you that you have found the ultimate true path to game efficiency in Eve Online. We cannot be all so blessed. Thank god there are players like you whose glory we can bask in.

Bonus : More insults and labels to other players who dare to take a different stance.

I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears.

Drama and fun so far!

To quote you, "This has all happened before, and it will happen again." Yes, quite right. Any time any one so much as suggests a different play style *might* be acceptable in the game the normal suspects appear to tell them they are whiners and stupid players for questioning an existing mechanic.

My position may be an extreme minority position, which will never be implemented. Fine. But why all the insults and labels? We are all gamers in a game together. We all want it to be a success for many many more years and to build on the 14 years the game has given us gaming entertainment.


Thank you for proving my point. I should have added:

-When people demonstrate to him what he is saying is stupid, he will suddenly describe what he is doing as a "play style" and accuse everyone else of not liking his "play style", even though most of the people replying to him don't even play the game the same way as everyone else does. He won't be able to grap the idea that he' is is own problem and that "whining on the forums about something he already has the tools to overcome" is not a "play style".

And

-Will then act all mystified at the response he's getting because he can't understand that people have done the same kind of begging and crying he's doing for as much as 14 years.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#71 - 2017-05-02 20:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.


Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game.


DMC

Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.


I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
#72 - 2017-05-02 20:38:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Thank you for proving my point. I should have added:

-When people demonstrate to him what he is saying is stupid, he will suddenly describe what he is doing as a "play style" and accuse everyone else of not liking his "play style", even though most of the people replying to him don't even play the game the same way as everyone else does. He won't be able to grap the idea that he' is is own problem and that "whining on the forums about something he already has the tools to overcome" is not a "play style".

And

-Will then act all mystified at the response he's getting because he can't understand that people have done the same kind of begging and crying he's doing for as much as 14 years.


Well keep on drinking the vitriol. I´ll put you down as a not interested in any changes to the war dec mechanic. Thanks for your delightful and insightful views on this topic.

If people are still going on about after 14 years maybe something should be done to improve the system. Or not. But if people have carried on doing that for 14 years, then you really should prepare yourself for the fact that they will keep on doing it for the lifetime of the game. And since this issue appears to trigger you, you might be best recommended to avoid the issue altogether and engage in something productive beyond casting aspersions and throwing insults at other players who have done nothing to you.

Good day to you sir.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2017-05-02 20:42:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


BLAH, BLAH, BLAH .............................

-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.

And now a spiteful little pleb rushes in with even more venomous contemptible remarks, constantly throwing a temper tantrum in every single thread like a spoiled little brat with hurt feelings.


DMC
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#74 - 2017-05-02 22:05:10 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.


You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.


Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game.


DMC

Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.


I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.


Does that include AFK mining and Auto-piloting?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#75 - 2017-05-02 22:06:11 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:


Good day to you sir.


Jenn is a Lady
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2017-05-02 22:30:08 UTC

Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Aaron wrote:

I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.


Does that include AFK mining and Auto-piloting?
Roll

Man, they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel when they picked you.

Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Percy Cuscaden wrote:


Good day to you sir.


Jenn is a Lady

And if you believe that you're an even bigger fool than what you sound like.


DMC
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2017-05-02 23:08:10 UTC
Cern Audeles wrote:
Hi,
I love this game but for one thing. The wars.
I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today.
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Sad


What...war decs are largely voluntary. If you don't want to fight leave a alt holding the corp and everyone else drops to NPC corps and play that way until the war dec is over. Create in game chat channels so you can all stay together.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Algathas
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2017-05-02 23:12:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Cern Audeles wrote:
Hi,
I love this game but for one thing. The wars.
I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today.
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Sad


What...war decs are largely voluntary. If you don't want to fight leave a alt holding the corp and everyone else drops to NPC corps and play that way until the war dec is over. Create in game chat channels so you can all stay together.


Another option too is that you can leave highsec. Most people who wardec generally won't come too far from trade hubs and rarely (if ever) leave highsec. Once you are free of highsec you can laugh at wardeccers as they waste their money.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2017-05-02 23:26:15 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
There is a current posting on Reddit which has some interesting ideas:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/68mgyk/the_one_million_and_first_ccplease_wardecs_post/



There is alot of stupid in that thread.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2017-05-02 23:30:41 UTC
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:

Sorry bub, but CCP stats prove you wrong on that.


Which bit?

i. I think the game must lose a lot of casual players who cannot get over the brutal play style
ii. The game is pretty healthy right now
iii. a) it is certainly not the case that it is dying or b) but I think it could do better


New players (< 15 days) killed illegally (ganked) or legally (war dec, duel) stay longer than those who are not killed at all.

About 1% of new players (<15 days) are ganked. 14% are killed legally, 85% are not killed at all in their first 15 days.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online