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Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2017-04-26 03:30:53 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP needs to get out of that rut, stop living in the past, embrace the future and change with the times..
They tried that and it resulted in the Summer of Rage.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#62 - 2017-04-26 05:24:21 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:

Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.


No you have to go to low/0.0 for that .....the sound of the footsteps of leaving people voting with their feet is not to ignore....sry that it will change your game and convinience.....

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.

The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.

Evil RatKid
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#63 - 2017-04-26 06:53:32 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:

Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.


No you have to go to low/0.0 for that .....the sound of the footsteps of leaving people voting with their feet is not to ignore....sry that it will change your game and convinience.....

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.

The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.

You mind citing sources for your claims on that one?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#64 - 2017-04-26 06:58:29 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.

The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.

You mind citing sources for your claims on that one?

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Evil RatKid
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#65 - 2017-04-26 07:09:12 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.

The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.

You mind citing sources for your claims on that one?

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Interesting. I wish they broke it down by trial account too. This only examines the people that had already invested the money. What about those that hadn't?
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#66 - 2017-04-26 07:29:09 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Highsec is more dangerous than nullsec

Until you guys get bored and blues become your target. Ive seen that many many times of blue on blue violence.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#67 - 2017-04-26 08:03:35 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Interesting. I wish they broke it down by trial account too. This only examines the people that had already invested the money. What about those that hadn't?

The 80k players in the first part is about trials and if they are more likely to subscribe or not. At the end of that part he mentions briefly that <1% of sub cancellation mention ship loss as the reason, this concerns all subscribed players. So they indeed covered both trial and subscribed players.

Evil RatKid
Kaeden 3142
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2017-04-26 08:24:14 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:

Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.


Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#69 - 2017-04-26 08:27:28 UTC
Kaeden 3142 wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:

Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.


Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me.

Can I have your stuff? You can't take it to other games anyway

Evil RatKid
Kaeden 3142
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2017-04-26 08:41:30 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Kaeden 3142 wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:

Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....

As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree.

Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.


Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me.

Can I have your stuff? You can't take it to other games anyway


I will just sit on for awhile until I can aleast move in highsec with decent protection from g(w)ankers.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#71 - 2017-04-26 08:52:40 UTC
Kaeden 3142 wrote:
I will just sit on for awhile until I can aleast move in highsec with decent protection from g(w)ankers.

People who are not incredibly bad at EVE never had an issue with that anyway.

Evil RatKid
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2017-04-26 08:57:40 UTC
OMG, not this crap again. Swear you guys just keep beating on that dead horse.

That whole segment was presented way out of context. It was suppose to be a lead in for the new tutorial NPE (New Player Experience) yet CCP Rise decided to use it to validate Suicide Ganking.

Sure, they say 1% of account cancellations was due to ship loss and or harassment. But they failed to mention the total percentage amount of players that quit ? And out of that amount what was the percentage amount of players who actually completed CCP's little questionnaire ? Also what was the time span that statement is based upon ? Without those numbers given nobody can present an accurate estimation or comparison.

As for the 80,000 new players age 15 days old in that survey, 85.5% weren't killed, 13.5% were legally killed and 1% were ganked. Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. They even added a bunch of new systems to the list of 'Protected Newbie' starter systems because of that issue.

Man, talk about 'Smoke & Mirrors' ...........................


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2017-04-26 09:05:18 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger.

Incorrect as usual there DMC.

There is no ban on ganking new players. It is a ban on ganking in starter systems. As soon as a new player leaves the starter system and join the rest of us, they are perfectly fine to gank.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Teros Hakomairos
Doomheim
#74 - 2017-04-26 09:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Teros Hakomairos
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.

The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.

You mind citing sources for your claims on that one?

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y



Really?

An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ?

Really....

This is so transparent.....

I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do because we don't want to loose the dream of EVE beeing "special" so we let them go"?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#75 - 2017-04-26 09:34:38 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Really?

An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ?

Really....

This is so transparent.....

I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"?

Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right.

They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem.

Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie.

Evil RatKid
Teros Hakomairos
Doomheim
#76 - 2017-04-26 09:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Teros Hakomairos
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Really?

An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ?

Really....

This is so transparent.....

I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"?

Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right.

They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem.

Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie.


You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-)

The leaving customers tell another story.....
Liek DarZ
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#77 - 2017-04-26 09:51:25 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
The leaving customers tell another story.....

And your sources explaining that those people leaving due to ganking are.... which?
I mean, noone ever heard of people leaving over boring PvE, insufficiently twitchy action, lack of meaningful first person control etc...

EVE is not for everybody. Claiming that EVE would be a better game w/o hisec ganking is dubious, claiming it would have more people w/o ganking lacks data.

Do not project from your own way of thought. And, maybe, read the New Pilot FAQ. You know, the thing stating what to expect from EVE.

Do you also run around as a medic in Battlefield and complain about being shot, as you "would prefer to focus on the healing part of the game, and not on the shooting parts"? Same for miners in EVE. One does not opt out of PVP here. Especially not when in space.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#78 - 2017-04-26 09:58:30 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Sure, they say 1% of account cancellations was due to ship loss and or harassment. But they failed to mention the total percentage amount of players that quit ? And out of that amount what was the percentage amount of players who actually completed CCP's little questionnaire ? Also what was the time span that statement is based upon ? Without those numbers given nobody can present an accurate estimation or comparison.

People have the possibility to voice their reasons if they unsubscribe. Given that the amount of crying and pleading for more protection from the carebear community is a daily topic on the forums, why should we assume at all that they suddenly go silent if they "vote with their wallet" and can write to CCP directly?

Your problem with this study is that it does not fit your narrative. There is nothing CCP could have done differently to please people like you.

Even is only 1% of all players fill out that questionnaire, there is no reason to claim that the silent minority contains all the raging carebears who left because of ganks and wardecs. There is quite some reason however to believe that they are the ones crying to CCP at every opportunity.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

As for the 80,000 new players age 15 days old in that survey, 85.5% weren't killed, 13.5% were legally killed and 1% were ganked. Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. They even added a bunch of new systems to the list of 'Protected Newbie' starter systems because of that issue.


This is completely wrong. The only thing that is off-limits are the starter systems. New players are maybe on their first day in there. The reason why new players don't get ganked a lot is because they are usually not worth the effort. That does not prevent the carebear crowd from lying about how this is the main issue why new players quit, when it was already demonstrated that this is no issue at all.

Evil RatKid
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#79 - 2017-04-26 10:01:54 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-)

The leaving customers tell another story.....

The story the leaving customers tell is one that does not involve issues with ship loss. Did you even watch the video?

Evil RatKid
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#80 - 2017-04-26 10:11:36 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Really?

An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ?

Really....

This is so transparent.....

I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"?

Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right.

They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem.

Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie.


You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-)

The leaving customers tell another story.....

What leaving customers?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."