EVE General Discussion

Well that much is true lol.

In our own ways, we are fighting the same virtual war, a war for PVE in a game centered heavily on pvp. You might not think I am because I will always tell people to accept the pvp nature of the game, but I am, I'm a cold blooded rat shootin M'Fer. That's why I responded in that thread about shipyards, because you and I both know that only a few people will care for PvPvE and we needed assurance that regular PVE is on their minds. It is.

But we have to do it the right way, CCP are reasonable folk and they do respond when we approach it right. I don't expect you and I will stay on the same page, just sayin lol.

I don't have a problem with the PvP nature of the game, just when it becomes the reason why I don't get any appealing PvE in 9 years.

It's been great that CCP Larrikin answered, but after all, I am a bittervet and I've been disappointed too many times. I think that the'yre developing an extremely complex tool which will be unusable for anything else than its current goal, but instead of agreeing to that, CCP will just shoehorn it on regular PvE because they've got a very expensive hammer and need nails to hit with it. Case in point, they developed mission building tools and delivered Burner missions instead of Level 4s.

I'll be delighted to be wrong and play EVE again because CCP got it right eventually, but chances are slim. All in all, they haven't asked anyone so as far as i know (and correct em if I am worng), CCP is developing new PvE without talking to PvE players.

I am sitll waiting for the PvE devblog CCP Affinity had to publish a few months after Vegas 2015...

There is NO proof that a non PVP zone in high sec would change anything to the bad,simply because it was never tried before....there are just the suggestions of the people who don't WANT this change happen (PVP)

So HOW could someone call this suggestion "fact" and suspects it is not to be thrown back in his face.....?

TRY a non PVP zone and we will all be delighted by the truth that NOTHING bad will happen and the world will continue spinning around the sun......

Why do you mean by no pvp zone? Every aspect of Eve is pvp.

Even the forums.

Your opinion of what direction this game should take =/= Usefull feedback.
Crying for changes to cater to your specific playstyle =/= Usefull feedback.
Your Opinons with out facts as backup =/= Usefull feedback.
You spreading salt and tears at the forum = 6 year old throwing a tantrum.

It's really as simple as that.

I don't need to jump off a building to know that the combination of Gravity and speed and concrete is bad for my health.

That said I'd LOVE to see a true non-pvp high sec enacted for, say, a few months. See, people who want a thing that other people don't want NEVER let og of the idea, because in their minds it works perfectly and has no downside. The only possible way to demonstrate reality to them is to actually implement the thing they think they want and let them watch it crash and burn.

Sooo many times over the last almost 10 years I've watched people on forums wish for something, and CCP would give it to them, and when the actual consequences of that thing (that the rest of us saw coming a mile away) slap them in the face, it's beautiful.

I think my favorite was "Dominion Sov". It went like this:

CCP: "We are going to make Dominion Sov and it will be great and open up null sec to small groups"

Goons: "It ain't gonna work like that"

Anti-Goons: "LULZ, Suck it Goons, you are going down"

Goons: "It ain't gonna work like that"

Anti-Goons: "You are just afraid of change"

Goons: "we are telling you, It ain't gonna work like that"

CCP: ok, here is Dominion SOV

Goons: "HA HA, now you are all our renters"

Anti-Goons Renters : "WTF!?!?! it wasn't supposed to be like this. no one could have seen this coming"

Goons: "Shut up and get back to Ratting, your rent is due tomorrow...pubbie"

nice.....

No proof it does not work means -----> it will not work (in the world of PVP supporters).....and CCP let them believe they are right with this nonsense.....this has to stop......
Maybe CCP make themself believe this nonsense too because they don't want to change the "special thing about this game"....
But "this special thing about this game" is obsolete in 2017 because the players are leaving...THIS is called "proof"....
Someday even CCP will learn this simple fact...hopefully not too late....

A 180° turnaround to a no pvp high sec is needed or players continue to leave and soon there will be only alphas.....

bottom line....

Lets see here....

You're making a bunch of unprovable claims about both the state of the game and the reason for that state.

You clearly haven't done enough research on this topic or you would know CCP's position on the matter. Namely, Eve is a PvP game if you absolutely don't want to PvP then go elsewhere, no where in this game is safe from PvP.

Just to lay this out fully:

Yes, PCU is dropping, seems to hold steady at or around a weekly average of 35k in recent years.

No, this does not mean the game is dying. CCP actually did *really* well last year, to the tune of record gross earnings from Eve and as a company in general.

The fact that PCU is sloping downwards in no way supports your idea of what High Sec should be like. You have no proof linking the two except whatever you have invented in your own mind.

The information we do have directly contradicts this belief of yours that the majority of players want this kind of change.

Does this somehow not make sense to you?

There actually is proof and it is all over people's killboards. Thousands of ships are blown up each day to suicide ganks in highsec. This destroys an astounding amount of stuff every day most of which players produce. You can't just take a huge chunk of demand out of a player economy and not expect consequences.

I don't really see the need to keep arguing with this guy, we all know it's silly. But I admit, people like this are interesting, they come of a game that is known for certain things and hate it, but here they stay. It would be like if you hated Dragons but keep plaiyng a game called "Yepp, pretty much just Dragons Online".

The rest of us know how important PVP is even if we aren't personally PVP freaks, it gives the game danger and thus value. A game where you can't lose anything isn't a game, it's masturbation.