EVE General Discussion

Peace brother, no need to get huffy, forum PVP is boring, what we need is ideals brought to the table, if the game is to your liking and no change for yourself is wanted post that, I believe I have well thought out ideals but post them up and get other points of view, if someone thinks its bad I ask why, many times you just get waffling of nonsense but sometimes you get a jem, it just amazes me how often forum PVP goes on rather then a good discussion, just makes me wonder about humans, why they choose as they tend to do, I still haven't read anything that make me think otherwise of the ideal, that being said I am going to start buying up goods with extra ISK and hold for later, fill orders from NPC's when I believe I can make some iskies, see how my buying effects the NPC market when I hold long term on them.

Your interpretation of those graphs is incorrect. The value destroyed line that's hovering around an average of 1T is *per day* not per month.

That means the value destroyed in March was around 40.3T. The total Active ISK delta for the game during that same time was 5.16T or roughly 1/8th of the ISK destroyed in the game.

The Active ISK delta in February was far larger, at over 35T, but the volume destroyed was still up around 38T, largely due to the shorter month than any real drop in destruction per day.

Well, it's not people like you who are the problem, you and many others have posted well worded posts, with some of your point I can agree, with others not so much. I have no problem with that, perfectly fine with me.

The problem is, that as well worded a post may be, the Salt Gang woudl still jump on it to spout their bs about how mean the game is and how it should be done. They are not interested in making EvE better, they want EvE to be like they want it and to be quite frank, If CCP would have done everything these bunch of tosspots ever suggested EvE would be gone already for years.

They are not interested in a real discussion, the only thing they are interested in is spreading salt and bitterness all over the place. Just go and look the usual suspects posting history, just salt, tears and bitterness, nothing else.

Boy you are REALLY ignorant.....

The truth lies before you,it kicks you and you still pretend that you have no proof?

That's really sad.....

Game leavers that vote with their feet aren't enough so we create our own facts that fit in our world.....

I have no words for something like that.......

Your assumptions are your own and not applicable to the wider playerbase.

CCP get feedback when people quit and have other metrics available as well. Less than 1% of account cancelations cite ship loss or player harassment as a reason for quitting, and only about 1% of players are ganked in their first 15 days. Those who are ganked are actually *less likely* to quit the game, per this video from Fanfest 2 years ago.

So yeah, you may feel that this is a big problem. The playerbase as a whole disagrees and there are stats to back this up.

Nope, he just quoted the only data we have from the guys who quit. Besides one or two individuals who decide to whine a lot before leaving - like you seem to be -, but they hardly count as a representative sample.

The active playerbase is just an added bonus. You can hear their voice along these forums.

Fixed that for you

More seriously, it is a sign of maturity that you can admit you got that wrong. I'm not trying to be mean but I'll tell you the same thing I told old Dinsdale Piranha (like you, he was prone to hystrionics and was alwyas bad mouthing CCP, the people he NEEDED to listen to him): It's not your overall message that is flawed, it's the fact that you are so terrible at delivering that message that hurts you.

Just like in the Blood Raider Shipyard thread, if I were CCP I wouldn't listen to you either, especially that constant droning on about how PVE players somehow pay all their salaries (it's as bad as when people tell cops "my taxes pay your salary", yea, that's a surefire way to get me on your side and doing what you think needs to be done...).

If you want people (like other PVE players , and CCP itself) to listen, develop better communication skills that build relationships rather than generate dislike.

You mean we have no data from the actual playerbase but PVP is SURE that THEIR view of the game is the majority.....

Again....very creative handeling of the reality.....

Who says that 2/3 of the "playerbase" wouldn't agree to a no pvp zone?

Just because some PVP guys with a strange hobby SAY that EVE is a PVP game EVERYWHERE and has to stay this way or esle the whole EVE ecomomy will collapse does not mean the majority thinks the same and this is true....

I call this alternative PVP facts.....

If I had those skills, I wouldn't even have started playing EVE Online... one of the hidden truths about EVE Online is that it provides a massive environment for people who don't socialyze, both literally and figuratively.

I might not be effective, but surely I jsut keep droning around. Because, in the deep of my heart, I think that the only reason why I am here in the world, is to provide a odd insight into any reality I focus my interest on it. That some thoughts will never be thought unless I think them.

Maybe you don't like the way I deliver my thoughts, but I dare you to find anything like them. Even when I am wrong.

Again, no, CCP have data what little they've shared with us says that less than 1% of people who quit do so because of a gank, harassment, or similar activities in High Sec or otherwise.

You have literally no data to support your assertions that the majority agrees with you, and CCP have flat out said they disagree with you.

The only 'alternative facts' here belong to the guy making erroneous claims about what the playerbase as a whole does or does not want with nothing to back it up. (Hint: That's you)



No worries, I get what you mean. I doubt CCP Quant considered alternative numerical notation systems when he was doing up the MER.

I don't agree that CCP is ignoring PvE though. The major feature for the next expansion is literally a PvE feature and it has tons of potential to expand PvE content in Eve explosively once they get the new AI system working. The problem with iterating on PvE is precisely that so many people do it, have invested so much time and effort into it, and that improving the PvE experience is inherently expensive because AI is hard and not everyone wants the same things.

I don't think CCP is under any misapprehension about how accurate their data on the game is, but they can only work with what they're told, and someone who doesn't give feedback and doesn't participate at all in the wider game community isn't going to have their voice heard if they refuse to speak up. That's not CCP's fault it's just a fact.

I think CCP is aware that these people exist, and has tried to keep them in mind, but there's only so much they can do for someone like that or should do for them.

Also as to the notion that Eve is slowly dying, it's really not. All games show a drop in playerbase over time as the rate of new replacing the old eventually drops and the average player numbers follow. Eve hit that point a long time ago, but it's remained a fairly healthy game environment. People who are very very invested in the game just don't understand that people are going to drift off and play other games, sometimes for years at a time, and there's nothing CCP can realistically do to stop them.