EVE General Discussion

Nomadic deepspace runners dont have fleets, nor do they benefit from the protection of locals.

There is no need to remove SP loss, nor cloak/null which are core mechanics of T3Cs.

You can engage the T3Cs once they refit to run content.

If someone wants to run T3C fleets, go ahead.
Removing SP loss just reduces risk and makes such fleets even more likely.

Yup, looks like a Reddit post to me.

As I see it, SP loss was there to prevent only t3 usage. It has become obsolete and pointless.

Not that pointless. When the skill injectors dropped, T3C got their gold duct tape.

It is high end content for people who have taken the time to train those ships and who have the attitude to do the nomad life, also as other people have pointed out kill it when it is refit and running the sites. Oh gate camps are easy... and require no hunting skills, seriously mate, this game is supposed to be hard...

Gate camps used to be all over the place, but reduced in number due to interceptors being nullified, and that is a good thing for this game.

CCP needs to look at the hit points of the BS class if they want to see them used in PvP fleet warfare, it is in my opinion the missing part of their fleet combat changes and is the reason why so many people run around in T3C's in doctrine fleets. But of course lets just destroy a unique and interesting ship type that enables a different style of play due to the fleet doctrines, makes sense to people like baltec1 and others, but not to people who do or have done the nomadic life in Eve.

Yet here you are supporting a system that allows you to pass by the defenses of anyone simply by clicking warp to next gate.

Why should any pilot only be vulnerable when running sites, and if and only if they don't pay attention to local and d-scan?

It's not that I'm unsympathetic to your point, Drac. I feel that both sides have legitimate cause for grievance here. But in most other cases, CCP has very deliberately kept cloaking ability and nullification separate. And that seems like good game balance. The only time they intersect other than T3C, that I can recall, is a one-time issued yacht.

Think about it - every time people ask for both advantages on one hull (namely things like Blockade Runners), the idea get swiftly smacked down as being overpowered. And that's just moving a small amount of freight around. Being able to freely move combat capable vessels seems way over the line, comparatively speaking. The only ship that can imitate (but not replicate) this level of movement safety is the interceptor - and only because it can get align times down to a point where the lack of cloak doesn't matter. But they were already nerfed in that such a fitting severely gimps their combat potential, and alone they don't have that much to start with. Plus you can still smartbomb them.

Nomadic life will adjust, I have no doubt. They will either make more use of other tools at their disposal to avoid gatecamps like most others have to, or they will use the cloak and play the tense game of trying to evade the ships at the gatecamp. I feel this game is way too complex, and the options available are way too vast, to have such a lifestyle completely and utterly contingent upon this specific set of ships having these very specific set of otherwise game-breaking abilities. The rest of EvE shouldn't have to suffer for nomads to be able to keep their toys. Needs of the many, and all that.

You can put an armed dock on your camp. Its not like the whole camp concept hasn't been so stoutly upgraded that it doesn't need a counter for individuals, especially when passing through the camp typically has to be done twice and when the changes to the sov system has repopulated each null system with someone on your intel channel (including putting in carrots like sanctum/haven in bad truesec systems), so that even if your camp system is inconveniently large and you can't figure which gate I left by, the guy in the next system over will tell them.

Lastly, we are only of 2 types, the ones looking for sigs, and the ones running an escalation, and the ones looking for sigs will eventually warp to a location that you can have scanned down in advance, and since most sov null systems have a person in it these days, the expectation these days is higher that explorers will run a signature with someone in local.

If you can't keep coverage up, then well you are probably holding more space than you need and should expect people to get away with taking your precious signatures.

If you're going out to null to just explore, there's already the wormhole express.

Escalation chasing is another story. That one says "go to X system within 24 hours." I've never chased a null escalation because the only realistic way to pass those null gatecamps with enough firepower to run the escalation is usually... cloaky nullified T3C, or maybe dotlan to find a wormhole within 10 jumps of the target system and hope you don't hit one on the way there.
Or take an interceptor out and try to sell the escalation to someone just passing through. The last time I tried to sell an escalation, the locals thought I was trying to set them up to get hotdropped. Hmm...

Its a false argument anyway, escalations are generally run by the people that own the space, the very same people who generally have the gatecamps and bubbled gates too.