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Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#1 - 2017-04-19 13:01:34 UTC
I would like to to discuss the idea of new ship type.

Very slow ship with great stats. Has a tethering (or shield like POS) Relocation of such ship to another system can be done only by repackaging (3 parts by 500 000 m3 each) and only at freighter.

Priority task:
Protection of ships and system from numerous enemies. (will help small alliance to defend their space from huge fleets)

Super capital T2
hull / armor / shied 1 000 000 / 1 000 000 / 1 000 000
T2 resists
Electronic Resistance - 50%
Maximum velocity - 30 m/sec
Ship warp speed - 0.25 AU/s
Can't use gates
Can't use bridges
Don't have a jump drive
Can fit racial DD
Fighter hangar capacity 200 000 m3

Price about 300b
Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-04-19 13:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alderson Point
Atum' Ra wrote:
I would like to to discuss the idea of new ship type.

Very slow ship with great stats. Has a tethering (or shield like POS) Relocation of such ship to another system can be done only by repackaging (3 parts by 500 000 m3 each) and only at freighter.

Priority task:
Protection of ships and system from numerous enemies. (will help small alliance to defend their space from huge fleets)

Super capital T2
hull / armor / shied 1 000 000 / 1 000 000 / 1 000 000
T2 resists
Electronic Resistance - 50%
Maximum velocity - 30 m/sec
Ship warp speed - 0.25 AU/s
Can't use gates
Can't use bridges
Don't have a jump drive
Can fit racial DD
Fighter hangar capacity 200 000 m3

Price about 300b

Sounds a bit like a flying astrahaus, how would you see this improving on that? Is it just the lack of an anchoring timer that is the benefit? Or is it just a tasty killmail in the offing? With the lack of reinforcement timers to make it extra easy?

I am trying to see why anyone would make a reasonable choice to use one.

I do see however it would become a very popular thing to shoot, and that might lead to large fights, but it really is a massive cost to be bait.

But admittedly, the idea of a flying death city would be pretty damn awesome.
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#3 - 2017-04-19 14:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Atum' Ra
Alderson Point wrote:

Sounds a bit like a flying astrahaus, how would you see this improving on that? Is it just the lack of an anchoring timer that is the benefit? Or is it just a tasty killmail in the offing? With the lack of reinforcement timers to make it extra easy?

I am trying to see why anyone would make a reasonable choice to use one.

I do see however it would become a very popular thing to shoot, and that might lead to large fights, but it really is a massive cost to be bait.

But admittedly, the idea of a flying death city would be pretty damn awesome.


I see such thing as a possibility to escalate PVP to the top level.
Such ship will defend the fleet for a long time until the enemy gather enough capital forces to break through.
The possibility of new B-R fight will be higher.


add:
Such ship is a tool to equalize chances, increase the duration of staying alive. Countermeasures for "Hit and Run" tactics.
It must defend small home fleets (also ratting and mining ships) when someone was tackled by superior enemy forces (or smth like interceptor gangs) until allied fleet comes.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-04-19 17:29:51 UTC
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-04-19 17:47:10 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)


Well at least even Caldari master cargo hold freighter race can't just JF it.

Lol
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#6 - 2017-04-20 18:14:52 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)


I think that such ship can be used only at 0.0 space (maybe low-sec)
You will need 3 freighters to deliver such thing and any XL structure to assemble. Such ship must be used only for defense.

I think that in 0.0 sec a lot of corporations have a lot of money but don't have a lot of people. Just as there are many mercenaries who want to have a good fight. Such ship can give time for small corporations to call for help and equalize chances from both sides. Nothing more.
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#7 - 2017-04-20 18:20:42 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Well at least even Caldari master cargo hold freighter race can't just JF it.
Lol


That's the point.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2017-04-20 18:39:15 UTC
Atum' Ra wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)


I think that such ship can be used only at 0.0 space (maybe low-sec)
You will need 3 freighters to deliver such thing and any XL structure to assemble. Such ship must be used only for defense.

I think that in 0.0 sec a lot of corporations have a lot of money but don't have a lot of people. Just as there are many mercenaries who want to have a good fight. Such ship can give time for small corporations to call for help and equalize chances from both sides. Nothing more.


So your target "small" corp/alliance have XL structure deployed but need help protecting their space?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2017-04-20 18:40:34 UTC
Atum' Ra wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)


I think that such ship can be used only at 0.0 space (maybe low-sec)
You will need 3 freighters to deliver such thing and any XL structure to assemble. Such ship must be used only for defense.

I think that in 0.0 sec a lot of corporations have a lot of money but don't have a lot of people. Just as there are many mercenaries who want to have a good fight. Such ship can give time for small corporations to call for help and equalize chances from both sides. Nothing more.


I don't think you realise what would happen to a small group using a ship like this.

If the small group puts up a keepstar, they have multiple timers across about a week to call in their mates and defend themselves. If they log this ship in, they are painting a giant PL PLEASE BRING YOUR SUPERS HERE target right across their faces, and will lose their somewhat ludicrous investment about five minutes after the first dread cynos in.


Wheras, a BIG group can simply build a couple and ferry them around with titans and charons (Two charons if the parts are 500k. Those things go up to 1.2 mil m3) to wherever they happen to be needed. And since a sotiyo is half the cost of a titan, it's really not going to be hard to reassemble them wherever they're needed either.
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#10 - 2017-04-21 11:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Atum' Ra
Danika Princip wrote:
Atum' Ra wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
If it's in a similar sort of price range to a keepstar, why do you think it's going to help small groups?

How does relocation of these things work? Where can you reassemble them, and how long does that take? (Do bear in mind that it would be ludicrously simple to titan bridge freighters with these things inside to wherever you need to use them)


I think that such ship can be used only at 0.0 space (maybe low-sec)
You will need 3 freighters to deliver such thing and any XL structure to assemble. Such ship must be used only for defense.

I think that in 0.0 sec a lot of corporations have a lot of money but don't have a lot of people. Just as there are many mercenaries who want to have a good fight. Such ship can give time for small corporations to call for help and equalize chances from both sides. Nothing more.


I don't think you realise what would happen to a small group using a ship like this.

If the small group puts up a keepstar, they have multiple timers across about a week to call in their mates and defend themselves. If they log this ship in, they are painting a giant PL PLEASE BRING YOUR SUPERS HERE target right across their faces, and will lose their somewhat ludicrous investment about five minutes after the first dread cynos in.


Wheras, a BIG group can simply build a couple and ferry them around with titans and charons (Two charons if the parts are 500k. Those things go up to 1.2 mil m3) to wherever they happen to be needed. And since a sotiyo is half the cost of a titan, it's really not going to be hard to reassemble them wherever they're needed either.


I know a lot of small corps (about 20 people and 100 chars) who have 20+ supers and 5 titans but they can't do anything against 50 slepnirs. Few of them even even own a Keepstar.
Also I know a lot of people who decided not to use supers just because they can't defend them. All of them has trillion isks at wallet. Without such ship these isk will be at these wallets, but better to give them an opportunity to use these isks.

Building a Sotio at hostile space will generate a timer, at which friends will come :)
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2017-04-21 12:24:44 UTC
If they can't defend twenty supers against fifty sleips, why do you think they will be able to defend one of these big ships against fifty titans?
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#12 - 2017-04-21 17:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Atum' Ra
Danika Princip wrote:
If they can't defend twenty supers against fifty sleips, why do you think they will be able to defend one of these big ships against fifty titans?


Because they can call friends =)

p.s. any rat super dies in a 5 min after tackle
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2017-04-21 17:08:07 UTC
...No, they can't, because they will not have time to get an equivalent supercapital fleet into their system to save this thing before it is dead.


And who even cares about ratting supers? They are not a part of this discussion. Or is the point of this mobile station that it makes for a wonderful ratting boat in the few hours before someone shows up to kill it?
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#14 - 2017-04-21 17:13:25 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
...No, they can't, because they will not have time to get an equivalent supercapital fleet into their system to save this thing before it is dead.


And who even cares about ratting supers? They are not a part of this discussion. Or is the point of this mobile station that it makes for a wonderful ratting boat in the few hours before someone shows up to kill it?


If they can't - they do not need it.
But who can.... Just give them 30min for that.
Fek Mercer
Tactically Challenged
Tactical Supremacy
#15 - 2017-04-21 22:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fek Mercer
maybe if it was actually quite inexpensive, but there was only one per system and it requires a territorial control unit to operate.
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
Solitaire.
#16 - 2017-04-21 22:47:51 UTC
300b <
Small alliance <

Pick one