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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-01-23 00:43:17 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated

lmfao

so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-01-23 01:01:26 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated

lmfao

so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?

Because there are a *lot* of people who have a *lot* invested in current sov mechanics? New people are slowly spreading to W-Space, and we welcome them - blasters/rails/lasers hot, of course...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2012-01-23 01:15:39 UTC
There seems to be a LOT of misconceptions about null sec, particularly from people who have obviously never been there.

Is it safe? Well it's a whole lot safer than high or low sec. Answer this question: Who is trying to kill you? Answer: Anyone who is not friendly, and possibly 5 day old awoxers which can be easy to spot if you have half a brain and pay attention.

"Moon goo only goes to fill the alliance leaders wallets!" Absolute bull ****, there are a lot of capital (And by capital I mean POSes, Sov Bills, Fuel, ect.) expenses that need to be covered which people often don't know about. While this may not directly benefit an individual, its stuff that affects the alliance as a whole. Other things moon goo money is used for is ship replacement and free ships to be handed out when needed. Personally my corp always has a few scimitars to hand out to people for ops if needed.

"High Sec is solo friendly!" So is null sec if you put your mind to it. I have seen quite a few solo pvper's around, they engage targets they can or gtfo. Ratting? Anomolies are **** easy and generate enough isk to pay for any ship losses you might incur doing pvp. Got to spend that money some how!

"You need to be awake at this specific time for an op!!!" No you don't, they just let you know ahead of time so that you can prepare for it. Nothing is mandatory now days. Most competent alliances have some sort of way of getting in contact with people who aren't even online. Jabber, IRC, the archaic thing called a forum, are all things alliances use to get peoples attention so that you can have fun, and not have to be online at every waking moment to do things.


I think a lot of people have serious misconceptions about null sec based on experiences from years ago. A lot has changed since the days of Atlas and BoB. Hell have you even flown with the goons ever? Its a lot of fun, even if you do die. Everyone now days has a laid back yet very serious attitude towards things.
Chesh Aideron
Androse Trinket Haus
#84 - 2012-01-23 01:16:47 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:
People choose highset and oftern leave 0.0 for a few reasons, and yeah if you like to think your a 0.0 ellietist twot then maybe take note of some issues i will raise.

0.0 focuses on moon mining and sov space - this means the alliance leaders scooping moon goo make billions whilst expecting thier members to fly unsociable hours protecting thier isk income.

The alliance leaders treat thier memebrs like total crap and expect massive turn outs for thier CTA's

There is only so much ABC target f1 any person can take in fleet engagements

People need to make ISK to fund pvp ships. Now either offer FULL ship replacements or respect people need to RAT to make money to defend your pos's

The endless lagged blobfest that is fleet battles is just boring, pointless and a waste of time.

This is a game people should paly it for fun



WH master race reporting.

We don't have problems with ISK, blobs, or ******* leaders! (Although the latter is debatable, but that's why guns are very good at diplomacy.)
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#85 - 2012-01-23 01:18:11 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that.


I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day...
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#86 - 2012-01-23 01:39:27 UTC
Time or lack of the same choose for me.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-01-23 01:39:32 UTC
To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '******' 'moron' '******' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them.

but its okay stay chilly free willies
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#88 - 2012-01-23 01:42:43 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I chose hi-sec becuase I would actually like to play the game. Not have to be constantly replacing my ships in the wild-west of null space or constantly being tangled up by over-bubbled gates. I just dont see the fun in that.


I agree with this notion. It would drive me nuts to log on every day and worry if I am going to lose all my **** that day...


That's the entire appeal of EVE to a huge chunk of players, myself included. The sort of players who thrived in oldschool Ultima Online.

When risk is omnipresent, then you have to be sharp and alert. Something as simple as identifying a threat and avoiding it handily can give you an adrenaline rush. Things like casually blasting through a bubble camp is a blast too - and so is getting caught and trying to take people down with you! It makes every moment a little more exciting, no matter what is happening.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#89 - 2012-01-23 01:43:24 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
To clear things up for the high sec 'people' among us: when an alliance CEO or diplo or whatever does something the rest don't like, 'faglord' '******' 'moron' '******' will be the first thing he hears from the 'null sec slaves' as you call them.

but its okay stay chilly free willies


damnit broski, i miss you guys. wtf are you doing now?
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-01-23 01:47:16 UTC
8) idk ask the other guys I'm just playing dota two
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-01-23 01:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated

lmfao

so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?

Because there are a *lot* of people who have a *lot* invested in current sov mechanics?

You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw.

hahahahahaha
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-01-23 02:14:05 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated

lmfao

so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?

Because there are a *lot* of people who have a *lot* invested in current sov mechanics?

You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw.

hahahahahaha

No.

I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys.

I mean, I've read your posts before, all over, you do the smart-ass thing real well. Just that this time I was saying what I think you would agree with; people who have invested the the time, energy and resources (personal and corp/alliance) aren't just going to suddenly pull up stakes and do something entirely different, en masse, just because something new has been put in game. I'm sure there are people from 0.0 in all parts of the game, and will be in the future - but the Sovereignty game is (by all reports) very intense. THAT is what I meant.


3/10 troll attempt, but only because I know you can do better......

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-01-23 02:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

If anything, NPC-owned nullsec and w-space are what sov-null should have been...if that were the case, then I guarantee you'd find hisec a lot less over-populated

lmfao

so why aren't w-space and npc null packed to the gills right now?

Because there are a *lot* of people who have a *lot* invested in current sov mechanics?

You mean those guys who keep electing CSM representatives who run on the promise of changing current sov mechanics? It's not like npc nullsec is a new invention btw.

hahahahahaha

No.

I mean the people (guys, guys playing gals and those few women) who've been out there, doing their thing, whatever it is, for the last two, three, four, 9 years? Some with the same groups/friends they've been with for most of a decade? Those guys.

So how are those guys making highsec players overpopulate highsec, as Tarryn claims?

As for deep-rooted null players, you'd be surprised how adaptive they can be when it comes to acquiring income on PvE alts so that they can pursue their grudges in sov-0.0 (because most people who moved to null to make money left long ago).
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-01-23 02:52:11 UTC
All I know is that I don't have to pay for any ship I fly on ops, can borrow incursion ships when I want and can call my CEO a ***** with him just laughing it off. I pity the people who actually have mandatory ops and a 'chain of command', I heard some people can't even call their CEO a ***** which is appaling to me
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#95 - 2012-01-23 03:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
From a mining perspective (I sometimes mine), there is no incentive to leave high-sec. Even with hulkageddon and other ganking of high-sec mining, there is just not enough of an incentive to go to low/null sec to mine.

Using these numbers: http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/51/orcawithmaxhulk.jpg

So maxed out hulk with a nearly maxed out Orca, and I could make the same thing in highsec. Why leave? For Arkonor and Bistot?

Let's see, pros and cons of high vs. null.

Pro null sec:
- Arkonor and Bistot
- Rorqual

Con null sec:
- Cloaking reds
- Hot drops / PVP roams
- Have to jump all your mining equipment to null or get through 30+ hops of gate camps with bubbles
- Refining your ore sucks, or you need to move it to a station, which isn't always good either, usually station not in same system you mine in
- You have to find someone to tank rats to get max yield, they usually want a cut of your profit
- Fight over little bit of arkonor and bistot that shows up in the hidden belt you spent the last 5 hours mining crap you could mine in empire to get the industry upgrade up if you don't have natural belts (all while your combat friends can get high level anoms with very little effort with military upgrades and make far more isk per hour)
- Jumping minerals to market unless you have an alliance buyer
- Replacement equipment harder to get
- A lot of time wasted on things other than mining

Pro of high sec:
- Perfect refining
- Easy access to market
- Can get equipment anytime you want
- Rats are frigates and can be killed with small drones
- No bubbles
- Concord protection
- Can read a book/watch a movie and mine
- Stations in almost every system
- Can make the same as Crokite and same or better than all low sec ores
- Never have to scan down a belt to make good isk
- Time is always well spent, mine when you want, don't when you don't

Con of high sec:
- Hulkageddon
- Random gankers/can flippers


For all the crying and whining about high-sec miners goes, when it comes down to comparing the two, It's not really a tough decision why people would rather mine in high-sec over null.

For the record, I really wish CCP would balance it out towards null sec. But right now, I'm only going to do what is the best use of my time. Going to null sec is down at the bottom of that list.

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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-01-23 04:05:10 UTC
I stole this picture from someone else but I suppose this is [strikeout]one[/strikeout] many reasons why if you have something worthwhile in nullsec, someone will be there shortly to take it
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#97 - 2012-01-23 04:32:07 UTC
The illusion that high sec is "full" is a problem.

Genesis is huge, mostly empty
Khanid is largely empty
Minmatar regions, Empty

Even with the vanilla level agent change people haven't spread out but why people choose high sec over null sec is pretty simple. You don't need 1200 people who hate PvE to defend a high sec system.
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-01-23 04:46:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So, basically, people choose highsec because they don't know any better?

Sounds reasonable…

Nice try. No cigar. Conveniently overlook the gist is returning from 0.0 to have fun playing a game, not staying out there to suck up to a handful of bigshots that own you coming and going.
Yeah, no. That would work if all these people actually tried out not-highsec, but they don't. They just stay in highsec because they hear stories like this and don't actually go check for themselves.

They choose it because they don't know better.


I've actually tried out not-highsec and found that it really left me wanting....

I went out there and discovered that if you don't want to be an NBSI asshat, there is no place for you. I refuse to be a pet or a renter, I approached several NRDS alliances and discovered that they are too insular and paranoid to even consider allowing you to join their alliance or even to socialize with them so they can get a chance to know you.

So, without an alliance to begin with, setting up a worthwhile operation in 0.0 (even NPC 0.0) isn't an option for a fairly small NRDS corp.

I've also looked into lowsec and found that it isn't nearly as bad as some would have you think. Yes, there are shitheads there, but there are also some decent people if you look hard enough. The pirates are ridiculous, trying to negotiate with them is like trying to communicate with a brick. I like lowsec, it gives a nice balance of what you can find in 0.0 and what you can find in highsec.

I will be honest though, I spend a good deal of my time in highsec due to the convenience of it. Low and 0.0 hold no fear over me as they do many other residents of highsec, though that does not mean that I feel that I must spend most of my time in them.

I just go there when I feel like it.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-01-23 06:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Zifrian wrote:
For all the crying and whining about high-sec miners goes, when it comes down to comparing the two, It's not really a tough decision why people would rather mine in high-sec over null.

For the record, I really wish CCP would balance it out towards null sec. But right now, I'm only going to do what is the best use of my time. Going to null sec is down at the bottom of that list.

you and everyone else man, at least you're honest enough to not hide behind some histrionic emotion-fuel justification of it.

Nerf the crap ouf null years ago, create new, riskfree isk faucets in highsec, wonder where all the inhabitants went. Hmmm...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#100 - 2012-01-23 06:53:04 UTC
High sec is great to stage out of, but if you don't want nullsec politics and slavery, then have the patience to use wormholes get between the two. You can end up in pockets of null so deep even the people who "own" it won't bother to look for you there. And I have found if you are not in a bot-infested area, they really don't care.

Wormholes do get camped, but nothing like the way gates are camped. There is a score of variables around that. You must study it.


I have been using the same ship for these endeavors since 2009 and with the goal of avoiding combat - except for the occasional exploration site or sleepers on my way - you need not worry so much about PVP. PVP is NOT: "you leave highsec, get blobbed, die, not profit(?), repeat till broke". It's BS. I go into null for weeks, never use gates, seldom use stations (unless it's a place where i can establish a JC), and eventually come back with a hold full of exploration and sleeper goodies.

You need patience and a will to play the game in a way that requires it, and shed the "everybody get stuck in the same rush hour on the same highway every day" mode of thinking that seems to infect this game. You will not fit ships the way you "should", you will not do what everybody else does, but good applications of strategy and tactics will see you through to your mission.

It's either mine and grind in highsec or rent and cannon fodder in null, IF you forget what a sandbox this game is.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!