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Proteus: non-PVP profit in null-sec?
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The Larold
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#1 - 2017-04-15 18:13:12 UTC
I currently fly a Buzzard in null sec to make a profit from relic and data sites.

I'd like to add some variety to the types of sites I can do in null-sec, whether they be PvE, gas harvesting, etc.

I'm not interested in optimizing ISK/hour. I'm interested in:
A) Staying safe, and
B) Fun through variety

I have no experience with T3 cruisers. But I see info on the web that leads toward a Proteus, apparently because with the right subsystems it can be both cloaky and fly through bubbles.

Assuming I travel with a mobile depot, if that's even possible, I imagine I'd be able to switch to fits that let me run other types of sites like PvE or gas? Could someone recommend mods / ammo / what to bring along so I can still do relic / data, but add other sites? If I could do some PvE sites, which ones are safe / easy to run?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-04-15 20:51:52 UTC
This thread belongs to ships&Modules subforum.

But before it gets moved:
Personally i use this fit

for travel and relics/data:
[Proteus, Proteus (t)]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Relic Analyzer II
Gistum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Drone Link Augmentor II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x3

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Nanite Repair Paste x35

and this for combat sites:
[Proteus, Proteus (c)]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Centus X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener

Large Cap Battery II
Gistum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Large Cap Battery II

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


Hobgoblin II x5
Wasp II x4
Ogre II x3

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Nanite Repair Paste x35

This fit works in Serpentis space. For other areas you would need to change drones/armor hardeners. If i'm not mistaken this fit could do even 9/10 complexes.

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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-04-16 00:10:01 UTC
Having used a proteus to do escalations for a long time, be aware that the only way you can change fits to/from relic and drone proteus is if you have somewhere to dump the cargo expanders and relic/data loot, because the depot, the subs and the drones that get barfed back up into cargo when you change from from covert to drone sub take up virtually all the cargo space - which means leaving the stuff in the depot and not scooping the depot whilst you do combat content, which is a potential weakness.

Also combat sites randomly roll drone aggro issues, if they roll it, its harder to keep mobile drones alive.

In the region I was in, the guns were necessary to assist with breaking tanks - and most regions ded 7s for example are very similar, lots of battleships between you and the loot, most of which have to be killed.

Don't want to discourage doing it - I enjoyed getting escalations from some pretty dangerous space, just be aware that the cargo space is an issue.
The Larold
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#4 - 2017-04-16 13:55:32 UTC
Coralas wrote:
Having used a proteus to do escalations for a long time, be aware that the only way you can change fits to/from relic and drone proteus is if you have somewhere to dump the cargo expanders and relic/data loot, because the depot, the subs and the drones that get barfed back up into cargo when you change from from covert to drone sub take up virtually all the cargo space - which means leaving the stuff in the depot and not scooping the depot whilst you do combat content, which is a potential weakness.

Also combat sites randomly roll drone aggro issues, if they roll it, its harder to keep mobile drones alive.

In the region I was in, the guns were necessary to assist with breaking tanks - and most regions ded 7s for example are very similar, lots of battleships between you and the loot, most of which have to be killed.

Don't want to discourage doing it - I enjoyed getting escalations from some pretty dangerous space, just be aware that the cargo space is an issue.


Very good points, thanks. Sounds like a general PITA. Perhaps I should aim for long-term variety. Do one long relic/data run for a few days / weeks. Then come back to high-sec, drop loot, refit, then do a combat-based exploration run and have fun there.

Silly question as I've never done the PvE combat sites one has to scan down... what level out of 10 is roughly comparable to a LVL4 mission handed out by agents?
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#5 - 2017-04-16 14:30:43 UTC
The Larold wrote:
Very good points, thanks. Sounds like a general PITA. Perhaps I should aim for long-term variety. Do one long relic/data run for a few days / weeks. Then come back to high-sec, drop loot, refit, then do a combat-based exploration run and have fun there.

Silly question as I've never done the PvE combat sites one has to scan down... what level out of 10 is roughly comparable to a LVL4 mission handed out by agents?


The highest level I've ran is blood raider 5/10. It's very similar to a lv4 mission in the first 2 rooms. There is a trap in the last room, but I always MJD away from the trap and then just kill the overseer and warp out.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-04-16 15:07:17 UTC
The Larold wrote:
Coralas wrote:
Having used a proteus to do escalations for a long time, be aware that the only way you can change fits to/from relic and drone proteus is if you have somewhere to dump the cargo expanders and relic/data loot, because the depot, the subs and the drones that get barfed back up into cargo when you change from from covert to drone sub take up virtually all the cargo space - which means leaving the stuff in the depot and not scooping the depot whilst you do combat content, which is a potential weakness.

Also combat sites randomly roll drone aggro issues, if they roll it, its harder to keep mobile drones alive.

In the region I was in, the guns were necessary to assist with breaking tanks - and most regions ded 7s for example are very similar, lots of battleships between you and the loot, most of which have to be killed.

Don't want to discourage doing it - I enjoyed getting escalations from some pretty dangerous space, just be aware that the cargo space is an issue.


Very good points, thanks. Sounds like a general PITA. Perhaps I should aim for long-term variety. Do one long relic/data run for a few days / weeks. Then come back to high-sec, drop loot, refit, then do a combat-based exploration run and have fun there.

Silly question as I've never done the PvE combat sites one has to scan down... what level out of 10 is roughly comparable to a LVL4 mission handed out by agents?


Its a little bit of a difficult question, but mostly harder than l4.

Gurista ded 6 is easier than an L4. IMO the gurista ded 5 (lowsec or esc from den) is harder (last pocket has some serious dps). 7 onwards are usually reliably harder or at least longer than an L4 mission. Proteus can solo all gurista (I've done that), and I assume with some cheesing of the repairs on overseer superstructures, it can probably do all serpentis. Though the serpentis has no ded 6, it has a hard escalating unrated instead.

Other races, you'd have to research, its probably terrible at angels, but it can probably muddle through all races ded 5s, and might fail at some higher encounters.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#7 - 2017-04-17 08:03:48 UTC
Bear in mind that Proteus, along with the other T3 cruisers will be getting a major rebalancing this summer. My impression from the Fanfest presentation is they will be more versatile but less powerful. We'll see when CCP releases the devblog.
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-04-17 14:16:40 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Bear in mind that Proteus, along with the other T3 cruisers will be getting a major rebalancing this summer. My impression from the Fanfest presentation is they will be more versatile but less powerful. We'll see when CCP releases the devblog.



This. I was going to suggest: have you considered the SOE cruiser? With the T3 cruiser balance pass, the SOE cruiser might be worth looking at.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-04-18 05:38:29 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Do Little wrote:
Bear in mind that Proteus, along with the other T3 cruisers will be getting a major rebalancing this summer. My impression from the Fanfest presentation is they will be more versatile but less powerful. We'll see when CCP releases the devblog.


This. I was going to suggest: have you considered the SOE cruiser? With the T3 cruiser balance pass, the SOE cruiser might be worth looking at.


Nullifier is needed for risk averse people like me to chase escalations into hostile space (and thus risk being probed down), and they won't nerf t3s to the extent that a stratios out tanks them against their racially preferred enemy. Yes the stratios is nice, but its a fairly low SP ship, I still fly mine on this character for lowsec work, but I made sufficient isk in frigates that I used it to more or less skip the vexor.

If CCPs attention was raised to the issue, they could probably rethink these fits how the cargo is supposed to play out. One issue I have is that I prefer sentry drones, and now when I cast my mind back to it, when I did these escalations in hostile space, I actually didn't bring wardens, just gardes (for tracking purposes), and I used the scripts to adjust optimal vs tracking, and I also drew piths overseer onto the drones by flying away from them a bit, which gave me 75 to 100m3 spare cargo space to bring imp cloak as well as covert, which let me deal with the prober _now_ in system and refit to go home later when not under pressure.

You can do something similar with mobile drones I guess (only bring 1 spare, and don't lose more than 1).